1 00:00:06,260 --> 00:00:04,550 what's up guys Ryan Sprague here and I'm 2 00:00:08,690 --> 00:00:06,270 just dropping in to remind you about our 3 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:08,700 patreon campaign somewhere in the skies 4 00:00:12,770 --> 00:00:11,010 is always free to consume but it's not 5 00:00:15,350 --> 00:00:12,780 free to create so if you want to help 6 00:00:17,450 --> 00:00:15,360 the show on a monthly basis we have tons 7 00:00:19,250 --> 00:00:17,460 of rewards for you in return 8 00:00:22,099 --> 00:00:19,260 including shout outs on the show and 9 00:00:25,550 --> 00:00:22,109 website bonus content and episodes and 10 00:00:27,769 --> 00:00:25,560 free merch want to be my guest or pick a 11 00:00:29,839 --> 00:00:27,779 topic for the show you can do that too 12 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:29,849 so if you'd like to learn more and to 13 00:00:35,750 --> 00:00:32,130 help support the show visit patreon.com 14 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:35,760 slash summer scoffs thank you and keep 15 00:00:52,180 --> 00:00:49,890 looking up this is somewhere in the 16 00:01:09,210 --> 00:00:52,190 sky's the Branzburg 17 00:01:16,090 --> 00:01:13,930 let's do it as per usual we speak for 30 18 00:01:18,670 --> 00:01:16,100 minutes before we even start recording 19 00:01:19,450 --> 00:01:18,680 with the one and only Shannon the Gro 20 00:01:21,340 --> 00:01:19,460 Shannon 21 00:01:24,070 --> 00:01:21,350 welcome back to somewhere in the skies 22 00:01:26,530 --> 00:01:24,080 well I thank you good sir so good to be 23 00:01:30,670 --> 00:01:26,540 back it really is every time we talk 24 00:01:33,970 --> 00:01:30,680 it's like a mini reunion for many who 25 00:01:36,010 --> 00:01:33,980 may or may not know Shannon and I have 26 00:01:38,530 --> 00:01:36,020 worked together a lot in the past on 27 00:01:41,140 --> 00:01:38,540 several projects into the fray radio on 28 00:01:43,780 --> 00:01:41,150 the trail of UFOs but today we're 29 00:01:46,570 --> 00:01:43,790 talking about something built from the 30 00:01:49,900 --> 00:01:46,580 ground up from you and that is your new 31 00:01:52,330 --> 00:01:49,910 book param Elga mission with beyond the 32 00:01:55,450 --> 00:01:52,340 fray Publishing so before we get to that 33 00:01:57,940 --> 00:01:55,460 I got a Shen a lot has happened since we 34 00:02:02,770 --> 00:01:57,950 last spoke about your last book Big Foot 35 00:02:04,660 --> 00:02:02,780 and when we last spoke it was with you 36 00:02:07,150 --> 00:02:04,670 and Seth Breedlove and we talked all 37 00:02:09,370 --> 00:02:07,160 about on the trail of UFOs when it first 38 00:02:11,500 --> 00:02:09,380 came out so how has it been going with 39 00:02:15,340 --> 00:02:11,510 that how's the reception been with on 40 00:02:17,350 --> 00:02:15,350 the trail of UFOs reception is fantastic 41 00:02:21,100 --> 00:02:17,360 which I'm sure that you compare at this 42 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:21,110 but I have been inundated with messages 43 00:02:25,810 --> 00:02:23,690 and emails and followers and people that 44 00:02:29,949 --> 00:02:25,820 are ready to talk about their UFO 45 00:02:32,770 --> 00:02:29,959 sightings which is amazing you know for 46 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:32,780 me personally I haven't really seen 47 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:34,970 anything very strange in the sky and 48 00:02:40,900 --> 00:02:37,610 like yourself so for me the filming of 49 00:02:42,699 --> 00:02:40,910 course was kind of something that lit 50 00:02:44,590 --> 00:02:42,709 the fire for me as far as the UFO 51 00:02:45,940 --> 00:02:44,600 subject goes that's not my niche it's 52 00:02:48,070 --> 00:02:45,950 not where I live 53 00:02:50,650 --> 00:02:48,080 Bigfoot at the top I'd say and then all 54 00:02:53,740 --> 00:02:50,660 the other kind of random paranormal 55 00:02:56,229 --> 00:02:53,750 stuff underneath that but doing that 56 00:02:59,920 --> 00:02:56,239 project has definitely fired it up for 57 00:03:02,170 --> 00:02:59,930 me in the UFO subject so yeah and ever 58 00:03:04,479 --> 00:03:02,180 since of course it is free right now on 59 00:03:06,310 --> 00:03:04,489 Amazon Prime you can go right now on 60 00:03:08,770 --> 00:03:06,320 there guys and watch all all the 61 00:03:10,509 --> 00:03:08,780 episodes are available to you but yeah 62 00:03:13,930 --> 00:03:10,519 it's been an explosion ever since that 63 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:13,940 of course with people finding out about 64 00:03:18,130 --> 00:03:15,530 all of us that are a part of that 65 00:03:21,070 --> 00:03:18,140 project including yourself I I mean I 66 00:03:21,790 --> 00:03:21,080 can admit it's it's blown the doors wide 67 00:03:24,490 --> 00:03:21,800 open 68 00:03:26,650 --> 00:03:24,500 with me I've had complete strangers 69 00:03:30,130 --> 00:03:26,660 who've never followed my work never read 70 00:03:31,990 --> 00:03:30,140 my book nothing heard the podcast reach 71 00:03:34,780 --> 00:03:32,000 out to me and say hey I saw you on this 72 00:03:36,820 --> 00:03:34,790 really cool thing on Amazon and I'm 73 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:36,830 looking forward to diving into UFOs so 74 00:03:41,380 --> 00:03:38,690 hey right there we're getting people who 75 00:03:43,510 --> 00:03:41,390 have never looked at the UFO topic in a 76 00:03:47,050 --> 00:03:43,520 serious manner like you guys did in on 77 00:03:49,540 --> 00:03:47,060 the trial of UFOs and we are growing 78 00:03:53,199 --> 00:03:49,550 this community of people who are now 79 00:03:56,410 --> 00:03:53,209 interested in UFOs so if anything we 80 00:03:59,050 --> 00:03:56,420 have amassed more we've recruited more 81 00:04:03,880 --> 00:03:59,060 into our army so I'm pretty happy about 82 00:04:07,350 --> 00:04:03,890 that and insert evil laugh oh my god 83 00:04:12,310 --> 00:04:07,360 your your laugh is so much better you 84 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:12,320 know it's well I mean as well we are in 85 00:04:22,540 --> 00:04:15,890 some ways but yes it's an it's ingrained 86 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:22,550 in you in there it has to be well okay 87 00:04:27,340 --> 00:04:24,770 so before we get to the the contents of 88 00:04:30,219 --> 00:04:27,350 the book Shan we have to discuss the 89 00:04:32,430 --> 00:04:30,229 title of the book you even define it in 90 00:04:35,050 --> 00:04:32,440 the beginning of the book so what is 91 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:35,060 param Alka mission and you say it very 92 00:04:41,140 --> 00:04:38,570 well not everyone can can say that I had 93 00:04:43,150 --> 00:04:41,150 to train myself I was saying it like in 94 00:04:46,930 --> 00:04:43,160 the mirror for almost an hour before we 95 00:04:48,659 --> 00:04:46,940 got on you're doing like the people that 96 00:04:52,810 --> 00:04:48,669 sing like a yo-yo 97 00:04:56,730 --> 00:04:52,820 bumblebee bumblebee yeah so uh param 98 00:04:59,290 --> 00:04:56,740 alga mission and this is actually 99 00:05:03,130 --> 00:04:59,300 originally a title of one of my episodes 100 00:05:04,780 --> 00:05:03,140 and except for tonight's episode and 101 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:04,790 it's funny that I'm just now saying this 102 00:05:09,130 --> 00:05:06,650 because this episode that's gonna come 103 00:05:11,140 --> 00:05:09,140 out tonight it's a Thursday night for 104 00:05:13,270 --> 00:05:11,150 the life of me I usually pride myself on 105 00:05:16,450 --> 00:05:13,280 coming up with a cool title and it's 106 00:05:18,550 --> 00:05:16,460 catchy or people go mmm what in the hell 107 00:05:19,810 --> 00:05:18,560 is this let me try I couldn't come up 108 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:19,820 with a goddamn thing so it's called 109 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:22,970 Bigfoot - West Virginia how about that 110 00:05:28,659 --> 00:05:24,050 for originality 111 00:05:31,450 --> 00:05:28,669 so yeah but this particular episode it 112 00:05:33,550 --> 00:05:31,460 was just all over the place that's all 113 00:05:35,500 --> 00:05:33,560 this crazy stuff going on and I'm like 114 00:05:37,180 --> 00:05:35,510 man this is a frigging amalgamation of 115 00:05:40,030 --> 00:05:37,190 all kinds of crap well what am I going 116 00:05:43,390 --> 00:05:40,040 to call this episode online nomination 117 00:05:46,020 --> 00:05:43,400 param param automation okay and I could 118 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:46,030 just kind of popped into my noggin so 119 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:49,610 yeah it's just the title is an 120 00:05:56,470 --> 00:05:53,530 amalgamation of various paranormal 121 00:05:58,030 --> 00:05:56,480 activities and incidents and experiences 122 00:06:01,480 --> 00:05:58,040 that people have and it's some of my 123 00:06:03,850 --> 00:06:01,490 favorites meaning that it either has a 124 00:06:06,190 --> 00:06:03,860 whole bunch of stuff all in one story 125 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:06,200 and of had that happened to one person 126 00:06:12,070 --> 00:06:10,250 or it is just so damn hard to classify I 127 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:12,080 think those are my all-time favorites or 128 00:06:16,930 --> 00:06:14,090 things that you just go what in the hell 129 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:16,940 am I even gonna label this as it doesn't 130 00:06:22,150 --> 00:06:19,610 put a nice little package like a Bigfoot 131 00:06:23,830 --> 00:06:22,160 or or a ghost that's walking down the 132 00:06:25,930 --> 00:06:23,840 hallway with the chains on them you know 133 00:06:28,710 --> 00:06:25,940 these are stories that are just got your 134 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:28,720 gun I don't know what the hell that is 135 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:30,890 exactly no I think it was the perfect 136 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:34,010 title and for anyone who doesn't know 137 00:06:38,380 --> 00:06:35,810 these books that you're coming out with 138 00:06:40,810 --> 00:06:38,390 be with beyond the fray correct me if 139 00:06:42,940 --> 00:06:40,820 I'm wrong these are either directly from 140 00:06:46,300 --> 00:06:42,950 people you interviewed on your podcast 141 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:46,310 into the fray or they are stories that 142 00:06:51,490 --> 00:06:47,690 were brought to you is that right 143 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:51,500 absolutely yep some of them were most 144 00:06:55,780 --> 00:06:53,570 were on the air and then there's a 145 00:06:59,320 --> 00:06:55,790 another large person that was off the 146 00:07:00,730 --> 00:06:59,330 air and or emailed in and then I can you 147 00:07:01,870 --> 00:07:00,740 know email back and forth with somebody 148 00:07:03,370 --> 00:07:01,880 if they're not comfortable talking with 149 00:07:04,780 --> 00:07:03,380 me as you know not everybody likes 150 00:07:06,370 --> 00:07:04,790 coming on and chatting with us and 151 00:07:10,300 --> 00:07:06,380 that's totally fine 152 00:07:11,830 --> 00:07:10,310 so yeah it's a it's again the 153 00:07:15,310 --> 00:07:11,840 amalgamation where it is amalgamation of 154 00:07:17,950 --> 00:07:15,320 both so on and off air gotcha okay well 155 00:07:20,170 --> 00:07:17,960 let's start with one of those and these 156 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:20,180 are some of the favorites I came up with 157 00:07:24,940 --> 00:07:23,090 that I liked in the book but we're gonna 158 00:07:27,790 --> 00:07:24,950 talk about a few of your personal 159 00:07:29,530 --> 00:07:27,800 favorites in a bonus patreon episode 160 00:07:32,500 --> 00:07:29,540 later on so people can check that out 161 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:32,510 but I want to start with an unfounded 162 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:36,410 call this one like you said defines 163 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:38,210 parallel Commission it has everything 164 00:07:42,850 --> 00:07:40,130 shadow people men in black 165 00:07:45,940 --> 00:07:42,860 UFOs I mean it was crazy I'm like what a 166 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:45,950 way to kind of start the book off so can 167 00:07:52,420 --> 00:07:49,370 you run us through an unfounded call 168 00:07:55,180 --> 00:07:52,430 yes this one is a veritable buffet of 169 00:07:57,840 --> 00:07:55,190 weird [\h__\h] and maybe that could be 170 00:08:01,330 --> 00:07:57,850 another title of a book but yeah this 171 00:08:03,310 --> 00:08:01,340 this poor guy so he's always wanted to 172 00:08:06,219 --> 00:08:03,320 be in law enforcement and he finally 173 00:08:08,530 --> 00:08:06,229 gets in with Sheriff's Department and 174 00:08:11,170 --> 00:08:08,540 it's in a rural County and I'm not even 175 00:08:13,330 --> 00:08:11,180 gonna mention you know where any of that 176 00:08:15,010 --> 00:08:13,340 stuff and he was very highly anonymous 177 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:15,020 but I did see his credentials before we 178 00:08:22,540 --> 00:08:18,010 recorded so I knew that he was legit so 179 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:22,550 this is back in 2009 and he's working 180 00:08:32,019 --> 00:08:28,370 the night shift and he's he's really he 181 00:08:34,329 --> 00:08:32,029 and his whole I want to say platoon but 182 00:08:36,159 --> 00:08:34,339 that would be the very wrong word he's 183 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:36,169 to all of the rest of his deputies in 184 00:08:43,029 --> 00:08:39,130 the dispatch they get these phone calls 185 00:08:44,860 --> 00:08:43,039 from an abandoned house and there was I 186 00:08:46,780 --> 00:08:44,870 think three or four different 9-1-1 187 00:08:49,660 --> 00:08:46,790 calls that were coming from the same 188 00:08:53,470 --> 00:08:49,670 home and they would hang up problem is 189 00:08:55,780 --> 00:08:53,480 the house is abandoned so this guy would 190 00:08:58,720 --> 00:08:55,790 go out he checked the property he'd find 191 00:08:59,710 --> 00:08:58,730 no one around so he'd call it in back to 192 00:09:01,510 --> 00:08:59,720 dispatch and go 193 00:09:04,329 --> 00:09:01,520 it's an unfounded call which means 194 00:09:06,550 --> 00:09:04,339 nobody there it's weird whatever so they 195 00:09:08,290 --> 00:09:06,560 just probably chalk it up to you know a 196 00:09:13,210 --> 00:09:08,300 phone line having a problem or whatever 197 00:09:16,630 --> 00:09:13,220 it might be and a few nights later from 198 00:09:19,750 --> 00:09:16,640 the very last call he says okay great 199 00:09:23,140 --> 00:09:19,760 another call from the abandoned house he 200 00:09:24,519 --> 00:09:23,150 heads out and he you know it's nighttime 201 00:09:26,829 --> 00:09:24,529 he's nights a night shift pitch-black 202 00:09:30,970 --> 00:09:26,839 clicks on his flashlight and begins 203 00:09:33,430 --> 00:09:30,980 walking around the house and he gets to 204 00:09:35,949 --> 00:09:33,440 the sliding glass door and of course 205 00:09:40,300 --> 00:09:35,959 there's no blinds nobody there he looks 206 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:40,310 in and to his surprise he sees a shadowy 207 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:43,490 figure making its way up the stairs so 208 00:09:48,250 --> 00:09:46,610 he he puts on his radio hey radio 209 00:09:49,810 --> 00:09:48,260 silence makes the calls that nobody 210 00:09:51,550 --> 00:09:49,820 comes over the radio while he's gonna go 211 00:09:54,730 --> 00:09:51,560 in and check and see who's inside this 212 00:09:56,620 --> 00:09:54,740 house he goes up the stairs and he 213 00:09:59,710 --> 00:09:56,630 checks the first room totally empty 214 00:10:02,920 --> 00:09:59,720 heads to the second one he steps all the 215 00:10:05,530 --> 00:10:02,930 way inside and instantly 216 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:05,540 course I you know when he's telling me 217 00:10:09,430 --> 00:10:07,370 this where I'm going of course it did I 218 00:10:11,410 --> 00:10:09,440 mean why else would it stay on of course 219 00:10:13,590 --> 00:10:11,420 not the flashlight goes out and his 220 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:13,600 radio it now completely dead 221 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:16,130 he's even to the point where he's like 222 00:10:20,050 --> 00:10:18,170 hitting the flashlight you know you do 223 00:10:21,430 --> 00:10:20,060 that I mean even in horror movies they 224 00:10:23,710 --> 00:10:21,440 do that but sometimes it actually really 225 00:10:26,079 --> 00:10:23,720 does work it's why they do that so he's 226 00:10:29,110 --> 00:10:26,089 trying to get to work nothing it stays 227 00:10:31,060 --> 00:10:29,120 off and because again no blinds no 228 00:10:33,460 --> 00:10:31,070 curtains there's enough ambient light 229 00:10:35,860 --> 00:10:33,470 from outside coming in to where he can 230 00:10:39,820 --> 00:10:35,870 see this massive dark figure standing in 231 00:10:41,260 --> 00:10:39,830 the far corner and at this point he's 232 00:10:43,870 --> 00:10:41,270 thinking it's you know it's still a 233 00:10:46,420 --> 00:10:43,880 person so he informs the person hey I'm 234 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:46,430 a sheriff's deputy you know you need to 235 00:10:51,639 --> 00:10:48,770 what are you doing in here you can't be 236 00:10:54,460 --> 00:10:51,649 in here let's go but it's not saying 237 00:10:57,130 --> 00:10:54,470 anything and in fact now that his eyes 238 00:11:01,420 --> 00:10:57,140 are starting to adjust he's realizing 239 00:11:05,170 --> 00:11:01,430 that it is much more massive than he 240 00:11:08,560 --> 00:11:05,180 thought in fact it is nearly as tall as 241 00:11:10,269 --> 00:11:08,570 the ceiling itself and it was he and it 242 00:11:14,350 --> 00:11:10,279 was much like my own shadow person 243 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:14,360 experience he said it was you know take 244 00:11:17,350 --> 00:11:15,650 the darkest dark and it was darker than 245 00:11:19,570 --> 00:11:17,360 that I mean that's my description of my 246 00:11:23,290 --> 00:11:19,580 shadow beings it was the darkest thing 247 00:11:26,650 --> 00:11:23,300 he'd ever ever seen so at this point 248 00:11:28,540 --> 00:11:26,660 unfortunately it suddenly moves toward 249 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:28,550 him but it's not walking it's just 250 00:11:33,250 --> 00:11:30,410 floating it's floating towards him 251 00:11:39,570 --> 00:11:33,260 and he does in fact reach for his weapon 252 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:39,580 and then suddenly he's in his car so 253 00:11:46,569 --> 00:11:43,450 yeah now not only he's in his car but 254 00:11:49,079 --> 00:11:46,579 he's driving and he's already a half a 255 00:11:53,199 --> 00:11:49,089 mile down the road from this house and 256 00:11:55,329 --> 00:11:53,209 he has zero recall of what happened 257 00:11:58,300 --> 00:11:55,339 after he reached for his weapon or how 258 00:12:00,610 --> 00:11:58,310 he got into the car and here's another 259 00:12:03,430 --> 00:12:00,620 aspect so now we've got shadow people 260 00:12:07,510 --> 00:12:03,440 and the weird 9-1-1 call we have missing 261 00:12:11,470 --> 00:12:07,520 time because it is an hour later so the 262 00:12:13,810 --> 00:12:11,480 radio crackles on and it's of course his 263 00:12:15,910 --> 00:12:13,820 fellow deputies and probably his 264 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:15,920 sergeant in charge checking on him and 265 00:12:18,590 --> 00:12:16,650 he said 266 00:12:22,820 --> 00:12:18,600 you know code four which means he's good 267 00:12:26,350 --> 00:12:22,830 but soon after that he gets this intense 268 00:12:29,810 --> 00:12:26,360 ringing in his ears plus this horrible 269 00:12:35,270 --> 00:12:29,820 dizzy feeling and it was enough to where 270 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:35,280 he pulled his car over and you know when 271 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:37,410 you're in law enforcement you can't it's 272 00:12:41,660 --> 00:12:39,330 much like being a pilot or something you 273 00:12:44,750 --> 00:12:41,670 can't have him you know any medical 274 00:12:46,910 --> 00:12:44,760 issues or any kind of you know serious 275 00:12:48,290 --> 00:12:46,920 you know mental issues anything like 276 00:12:49,820 --> 00:12:48,300 that you have to be I mean that's why 277 00:12:52,550 --> 00:12:49,830 these guys go through the screening they 278 00:12:54,860 --> 00:12:52,560 do so of course he's very worried about 279 00:12:57,110 --> 00:12:54,870 himself plus this job a little bit at 280 00:13:00,200 --> 00:12:57,120 this point probably so not wanting to 281 00:13:02,210 --> 00:13:00,210 broadcast this to everybody he calls his 282 00:13:05,180 --> 00:13:02,220 sergeant and you know on like a phone 283 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:05,190 and says hey I'm not feeling good I'm 284 00:13:10,070 --> 00:13:08,490 gonna pull the car over and it's getting 285 00:13:14,150 --> 00:13:10,080 worse by the moment and now he's short 286 00:13:16,130 --> 00:13:14,160 of breath so he begins to to lay down 287 00:13:18,110 --> 00:13:16,140 and he goes alright I might actually 288 00:13:19,700 --> 00:13:18,120 pass out here so I'm going to put my 289 00:13:21,470 --> 00:13:19,710 weapon and my badge and everything in 290 00:13:24,680 --> 00:13:21,480 the trunk so that if somebody comes by 291 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:24,690 god forbid and wants to you know take my 292 00:13:31,940 --> 00:13:28,410 stuff they can't do it so he actually 293 00:13:34,550 --> 00:13:31,950 does end up laying down and the guy gets 294 00:13:36,890 --> 00:13:34,560 there they have to call an ambulance for 295 00:13:39,710 --> 00:13:36,900 him and he's taken to the hospital but 296 00:13:42,380 --> 00:13:39,720 they release him with shortly after 297 00:13:44,420 --> 00:13:42,390 actually with no diagnosis he goes home 298 00:13:46,790 --> 00:13:44,430 he tells his wife but leaves out the 299 00:13:48,290 --> 00:13:46,800 part with the shadow figure I don't 300 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:48,300 blame him there and it's hard to explain 301 00:13:57,410 --> 00:13:53,730 you know 6 a.m. the next day a knock on 302 00:14:01,070 --> 00:13:57,420 the door and here's another aspect two 303 00:14:04,610 --> 00:14:01,080 men in black suits sunglasses and Fedora 304 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:04,620 style hats they start to ask him about 305 00:14:10,220 --> 00:14:08,010 what happened the night before and you 306 00:14:13,250 --> 00:14:10,230 know once they finish all of this they 307 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:13,260 tell him hey you know it's not 308 00:14:16,790 --> 00:14:14,970 disciplinary but we need you to turn 309 00:14:21,470 --> 00:14:16,800 your badge on like you need to give it 310 00:14:23,180 --> 00:14:21,480 to us and he's like okay what's going on 311 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:23,190 and they're like no it's it's nothing 312 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:24,690 you're not in trouble but you can just 313 00:14:28,580 --> 00:14:26,250 you can reapply when you feel better 314 00:14:31,540 --> 00:14:28,590 he's like oh okay a 315 00:14:34,580 --> 00:14:31,550 so he actually signs a paper that says 316 00:14:35,990 --> 00:14:34,590 you've been released he gave us a you 317 00:14:37,940 --> 00:14:36,000 know his badge everything's fine 318 00:14:39,980 --> 00:14:37,950 and come back when you're when you're 319 00:14:42,500 --> 00:14:39,990 feeling better now he admits like he's 320 00:14:45,350 --> 00:14:42,510 he's a young deputy it was his first law 321 00:14:47,150 --> 00:14:45,360 enforcement job and he basically says 322 00:14:50,510 --> 00:14:47,160 like I was being a pushover and let them 323 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:50,520 just I sign the paper gave him the badge 324 00:14:56,090 --> 00:14:52,530 didn't think anything of it he thought 325 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:56,100 they were official so he's in shock his 326 00:14:59,090 --> 00:14:57,450 wife's in shock she's probably going 327 00:15:03,800 --> 00:14:59,100 like what in the hell happened here dude 328 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:03,810 and the next day comes and a deputy 329 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:06,090 friend calls and he goes hey bro why 330 00:15:11,210 --> 00:15:08,730 aren't you at work and and this guy's 331 00:15:15,500 --> 00:15:11,220 like you guys let me go 332 00:15:17,060 --> 00:15:15,510 I signed a paper hello and he he says we 333 00:15:18,710 --> 00:15:17,070 don't know anything about that 334 00:15:20,660 --> 00:15:18,720 we have no clue what you're talking 335 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:20,670 about you're supposed to be at work and 336 00:15:25,490 --> 00:15:23,370 then the captain calls and he's pissed 337 00:15:28,700 --> 00:15:25,500 and he's like you better find that 338 00:15:30,730 --> 00:15:28,710 paperwork within 45 minutes or you're 339 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:30,740 gonna be in some serious trouble because 340 00:15:37,130 --> 00:15:35,250 you got to remember the badge and stuff 341 00:15:39,110 --> 00:15:37,140 is not his property so if he's been 342 00:15:41,300 --> 00:15:39,120 released or if he's not coming back to 343 00:15:42,740 --> 00:15:41,310 work that is their property you're gonna 344 00:15:44,870 --> 00:15:42,750 get a whole bunch of trouble for 345 00:15:46,700 --> 00:15:44,880 impersonating an officer if you're not 346 00:15:49,460 --> 00:15:46,710 really supposed to you know to have it 347 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:49,470 so captain's like you better bring that 348 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:54,210 down right now so he's freaking out he 349 00:15:57,770 --> 00:15:56,010 cannot find this paper for the life of 350 00:15:59,750 --> 00:15:57,780 him which he had just signed the day 351 00:16:01,970 --> 00:15:59,760 before it's just up and vanished he I 352 00:16:03,890 --> 00:16:01,980 think he had left it like right out on 353 00:16:07,430 --> 00:16:03,900 his dining room table or something but 354 00:16:08,990 --> 00:16:07,440 now it's just gone so he can't find the 355 00:16:11,630 --> 00:16:09,000 papers but he's not going to drive down 356 00:16:15,290 --> 00:16:11,640 there without it and then the captain 357 00:16:17,180 --> 00:16:15,300 rings and goes hey don't worry man we 358 00:16:20,450 --> 00:16:17,190 found your badge it's the way it's with 359 00:16:22,100 --> 00:16:20,460 the county they have it he's like okay 360 00:16:25,310 --> 00:16:22,110 that's strange 361 00:16:27,830 --> 00:16:25,320 and he goes yeah and we've been informed 362 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:27,840 that you have epileptic seizures which 363 00:16:33,110 --> 00:16:30,690 is very shocking to him because he's not 364 00:16:35,330 --> 00:16:33,120 had any history of that he's never had 365 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:35,340 any of these kind of spells before 366 00:16:40,220 --> 00:16:36,690 doesn't run in the family 367 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:40,230 so of course he's devastated because 368 00:16:42,470 --> 00:16:41,850 he's like I said he's always wanted to 369 00:16:45,889 --> 00:16:42,480 work in 370 00:16:49,430 --> 00:16:45,899 forcement and you know the really sad 371 00:16:51,650 --> 00:16:49,440 thing about this is months go by and he 372 00:16:54,340 --> 00:16:51,660 still presents with dizziness and the 373 00:16:59,269 --> 00:16:54,350 ringing in the ears he's even had 374 00:17:01,699 --> 00:16:59,279 multiple tests MRIs and one of them 375 00:17:06,429 --> 00:17:01,709 actually came back at one point that he 376 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:06,439 had a blockage in his left inner ear and 377 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:08,610 the doctor goes well we can try to 378 00:17:13,429 --> 00:17:10,890 prescribe some diuretics and try to help 379 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:13,439 flush whatever that might be out but 380 00:17:20,150 --> 00:17:15,890 nothing really seemed to help this guy 381 00:17:22,610 --> 00:17:20,160 and actually it would it would kind of 382 00:17:26,120 --> 00:17:22,620 ebb and flow as far as the severity of 383 00:17:28,940 --> 00:17:26,130 the symptoms but at one point and this 384 00:17:31,180 --> 00:17:28,950 still to this day is true for him he has 385 00:17:34,250 --> 00:17:31,190 actually a hearing loss in his left ear 386 00:17:36,289 --> 00:17:34,260 that has just never that has never come 387 00:17:38,150 --> 00:17:36,299 back to the dizziness and the vertigo 388 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:38,160 and the ringing and things herbs and 389 00:17:43,130 --> 00:17:40,290 flows but the hearing loss is permanent 390 00:17:48,130 --> 00:17:43,140 which is extremely unfortunate to hear 391 00:17:51,830 --> 00:17:48,140 so the caveat to this whole thing is 392 00:17:54,770 --> 00:17:51,840 he's again always wanted to be in law 393 00:17:56,450 --> 00:17:54,780 enforcement well the minute black I mean 394 00:17:59,180 --> 00:17:56,460 let's face it that's what we're kind of 395 00:18:01,280 --> 00:17:59,190 hinting that they were the men in black 396 00:18:03,110 --> 00:18:01,290 said you can reapply when you feel 397 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:03,120 better well he may not be feeling a 398 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:04,650 whole lot better but he's not having any 399 00:18:08,659 --> 00:18:06,450 of these blackouts or other stuff that 400 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:08,669 he you know after this missing time 401 00:18:13,730 --> 00:18:10,650 incident he's not having that anymore so 402 00:18:15,620 --> 00:18:13,740 he he tries to get back out there 403 00:18:18,590 --> 00:18:15,630 and apply at various law enforcement 404 00:18:20,210 --> 00:18:18,600 agencies and he said it always went 405 00:18:22,610 --> 00:18:20,220 really well until they got to the 406 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:22,620 background check and his time at that 407 00:18:27,500 --> 00:18:25,250 particular Sheriff's Department because 408 00:18:29,750 --> 00:18:27,510 that Sheriff's Department wouldn't 409 00:18:31,940 --> 00:18:29,760 disclose the reason for his release so 410 00:18:33,500 --> 00:18:31,950 the new place could not hire him they 411 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:33,510 just would not proceed with with the 412 00:18:38,690 --> 00:18:36,690 hiring process so that's it it changed 413 00:18:40,940 --> 00:18:38,700 his life that one night 414 00:18:43,010 --> 00:18:40,950 he's got the shadow person the missing 415 00:18:44,539 --> 00:18:43,020 times got the men in black he's got this 416 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:44,549 weird you know they signed this weird 417 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:47,610 paper and then the papers gone forcing 418 00:18:55,039 --> 00:18:51,210 him to eat I mean to what not live and 419 00:18:56,090 --> 00:18:55,049 just and ask why and how and why you 420 00:18:58,850 --> 00:18:56,100 know he 421 00:19:01,490 --> 00:18:58,860 still to this day he is not working in 422 00:19:05,360 --> 00:19:01,500 law enforcement because of after the 423 00:19:08,630 --> 00:19:05,370 events that happened that night and he 424 00:19:11,330 --> 00:19:08,640 actually does have some and and you know 425 00:19:13,810 --> 00:19:11,340 this probably better than anybody with 426 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:13,820 the people that you've spoken to post 427 00:19:19,789 --> 00:19:16,530 UFO slash you know alien whatever you 428 00:19:22,610 --> 00:19:19,799 want to call it encounters but it seems 429 00:19:24,380 --> 00:19:22,620 like you see something in the sky for 430 00:19:27,110 --> 00:19:24,390 some of these folks or you see something 431 00:19:30,740 --> 00:19:27,120 weird that maybe you could be attached 432 00:19:33,919 --> 00:19:30,750 to UFOs like classic and then stuff 433 00:19:36,020 --> 00:19:33,929 starts happening in your house and he 434 00:19:39,260 --> 00:19:36,030 and his wife actually had shadow figures 435 00:19:43,039 --> 00:19:39,270 in the home and along with things being 436 00:19:46,159 --> 00:19:43,049 moved and thrown and even this is a big 437 00:19:49,430 --> 00:19:46,169 bag of my hashtag hell no for me they 438 00:19:52,580 --> 00:19:49,440 would have a baby cry coming from one of 439 00:19:55,250 --> 00:19:52,590 their unused bedrooms that's your least 440 00:19:58,340 --> 00:19:55,260 favorite thing it's that would be at 441 00:20:00,320 --> 00:19:58,350 least I think any any of the other stuff 442 00:20:05,210 --> 00:20:00,330 so I'll take it 443 00:20:07,730 --> 00:20:05,220 but yeah if you went oh baby cries real 444 00:20:13,399 --> 00:20:07,740 cute til you I don't have a damn baby 445 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:13,409 so yeah that's such a good point though 446 00:20:19,039 --> 00:20:16,650 I mean almost every person I've spoken 447 00:20:21,289 --> 00:20:19,049 to about having like a very close 448 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:21,299 encounter experience with the UFO or an 449 00:20:26,990 --> 00:20:24,210 abduction experience there's always some 450 00:20:29,180 --> 00:20:27,000 weird high strangeness aspect in the 451 00:20:31,820 --> 00:20:29,190 room after that either like poltergeist 452 00:20:34,010 --> 00:20:31,830 like activity or something paranormal or 453 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:34,020 they start doing things completely out 454 00:20:39,860 --> 00:20:37,770 of character you know like what well 455 00:20:41,120 --> 00:20:39,870 anything literally like stacking things 456 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:41,130 in the home and they don't know why 457 00:20:45,980 --> 00:20:43,530 they're doing it or yeah walking 458 00:20:47,390 --> 00:20:45,990 backwards throughout the home and being 459 00:20:51,260 --> 00:20:47,400 like why the hell did I just do that 460 00:20:55,310 --> 00:20:51,270 yeah it's so strange and so wow this guy 461 00:21:00,110 --> 00:20:55,320 has been through a lot he has and I I do 462 00:21:01,610 --> 00:21:00,120 keep in contact with him and I know that 463 00:21:04,549 --> 00:21:01,620 he's still going through some weird 464 00:21:06,950 --> 00:21:04,559 stuff because honestly I'll sometimes 465 00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:06,960 get an email from him from like I could 466 00:21:09,650 --> 00:21:08,880 tell he's you know created another new 467 00:21:14,450 --> 00:21:09,660 email address 468 00:21:17,780 --> 00:21:14,460 you know so it's very strange and it it 469 00:21:19,310 --> 00:21:17,790 is I mean really on the periphery and on 470 00:21:22,850 --> 00:21:19,320 the face of it it's a very sad story 471 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:22,860 because it was hard for him to tell it I 472 00:21:26,690 --> 00:21:24,450 could tell that it had changed his whole 473 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:26,700 life just that one night creepy night it 474 00:21:29,900 --> 00:21:28,530 seemed like that damn shadow figure then 475 00:21:32,090 --> 00:21:29,910 everything would just went really 476 00:21:34,270 --> 00:21:32,100 downhill from there for him and of 477 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:34,280 course the the health issues are 478 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:36,930 something that no one wants to deal with 479 00:21:41,090 --> 00:21:39,090 and of course you know devil's advocate 480 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:41,100 you could say well maybe the whole thing 481 00:21:45,230 --> 00:21:42,570 was tied to some kind of an epileptic 482 00:21:48,140 --> 00:21:45,240 episode or something like that but um I 483 00:21:49,930 --> 00:21:48,150 don't know that's a lot of weird stuff 484 00:21:52,910 --> 00:21:49,940 back to back and it doesn't explain 485 00:21:55,010 --> 00:21:52,920 actual well what they look like as 486 00:21:57,050 --> 00:21:55,020 people showing up and producing a piece 487 00:21:59,510 --> 00:21:57,060 of paper that he signed and his wife you 488 00:22:01,430 --> 00:21:59,520 know was even there at the time so that 489 00:22:02,660 --> 00:22:01,440 was nothing that he had imagined you 490 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:02,670 know that was 6:00 in the morning his 491 00:22:07,340 --> 00:22:04,770 wife was still home and like yeah you 492 00:22:09,140 --> 00:22:07,350 know dudes at the door here so uh that 493 00:22:11,030 --> 00:22:09,150 you know that part was not imagined for 494 00:22:14,360 --> 00:22:11,040 him right yeah I mean the epileptic 495 00:22:15,890 --> 00:22:14,370 seizure thing I maybe when it comes to 496 00:22:19,010 --> 00:22:15,900 missing time that could attribute to 497 00:22:20,300 --> 00:22:19,020 that it's a good prosaic explanation for 498 00:22:23,150 --> 00:22:20,310 something like that like you don't 499 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:23,160 remember these seizures happening but 500 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:26,610 everything else like you can't deny the 501 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:29,010 head that clearly was not connected to 502 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:31,050 the the seizure if that was even the 503 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:33,450 case but man my heart goes out to this 504 00:22:38,690 --> 00:22:36,330 guy I mean it's hard enough being in law 505 00:22:41,090 --> 00:22:38,700 enforcement like there's you deal with 506 00:22:44,540 --> 00:22:41,100 day just serving and protecting but then 507 00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:44,550 to like have all this stuff drop into 508 00:22:49,250 --> 00:22:47,130 your lap in one night like man I 509 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:49,260 definitely feel for him that was a tough 510 00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:49,530 one 511 00:22:57,380 --> 00:22:54,000 yeah yeah and something that remember if 512 00:22:59,690 --> 00:22:57,390 I asked him this or not but you know it 513 00:23:01,970 --> 00:22:59,700 almost seemed like it was meant for him 514 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:01,980 you know cuz it was only on hit the on 515 00:23:05,060 --> 00:23:03,570 the night shift I don't remember him 516 00:23:08,060 --> 00:23:05,070 saying that they would get the unfounded 517 00:23:08,540 --> 00:23:08,070 calls during the day so it was I don't 518 00:23:10,490 --> 00:23:08,550 know 519 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:10,500 yeah it just seemed like it was just 520 00:23:14,030 --> 00:23:11,850 meant to be for him unfortunately 521 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:14,040 unfortunately yeah that is the key word 522 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:16,170 well I hope he's doing better I hope 523 00:23:23,090 --> 00:23:20,490 things cease but this let's move to this 524 00:23:25,370 --> 00:23:23,100 next one this like 525 00:23:28,190 --> 00:23:25,380 I don't even know I'm still trying to 526 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:28,200 process this story Shan because it's a 527 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:30,450 phenomenon I've never heard of and 528 00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:33,570 something I never ever would want to 529 00:23:39,380 --> 00:23:36,240 experience this was called the muted 530 00:23:42,650 --> 00:23:39,390 places and it's a man named I believe 531 00:23:47,210 --> 00:23:42,660 it's ash or yes in India in a very odd 532 00:23:50,120 --> 00:23:47,220 experience that he had while while there 533 00:23:52,670 --> 00:23:50,130 so yeah could you maybe run us through a 534 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:52,680 little bit of what ash experienced this 535 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:53,810 is crazy 536 00:23:58,460 --> 00:23:56,250 absolutely an ash was so fun to talk to 537 00:24:00,290 --> 00:23:58,470 I still get emails about ash and I I 538 00:24:02,030 --> 00:24:00,300 think that his podcast might be out I 539 00:24:04,010 --> 00:24:02,040 need to I need to check with him but he 540 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:04,020 talked about how in India you know they 541 00:24:09,050 --> 00:24:06,330 don't um they're big on ghosts and 542 00:24:13,310 --> 00:24:09,060 spirits like talking to him I I learned 543 00:24:15,260 --> 00:24:13,320 so much and he's like yeah they you know 544 00:24:17,450 --> 00:24:15,270 cryptids and Bigfoot and any of this 545 00:24:19,070 --> 00:24:17,460 other stuff is like we don't talk about 546 00:24:20,570 --> 00:24:19,080 that but there were like big on spirit 547 00:24:22,490 --> 00:24:20,580 stuff which is very interesting it is 548 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:22,500 called karmic cultures and how ya 549 00:24:26,990 --> 00:24:24,690 perceive these things for sure like you 550 00:24:29,750 --> 00:24:27,000 yeah you will not be caught dead talking 551 00:24:31,820 --> 00:24:29,760 about like a ghost or demon in the house 552 00:24:34,130 --> 00:24:31,830 of a Mexican family I can tell you from 553 00:24:34,940 --> 00:24:34,140 experience I've made that mistake oh 554 00:24:37,850 --> 00:24:34,950 really 555 00:24:40,250 --> 00:24:37,860 yeah yeah they're so superstitious or 556 00:24:43,220 --> 00:24:40,260 like a Ouija board I brought it up once 557 00:24:45,740 --> 00:24:43,230 with my girlfriend who's Mexican and she 558 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:45,750 says she just said straight up you will 559 00:24:53,780 --> 00:24:51,330 never bring that into this home like my 560 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:53,790 grandma will bash that Ouija board over 561 00:25:00,650 --> 00:24:55,410 your head if you pretty much shut your 562 00:25:03,260 --> 00:25:00,660 mouth no no dad that is very interesting 563 00:25:04,670 --> 00:25:03,270 I didn't I didn't know that um well 564 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:04,680 because it is kind of interesting 565 00:25:08,510 --> 00:25:05,730 because they have like the day the dead 566 00:25:11,150 --> 00:25:08,520 and all that so but other than that like 567 00:25:11,810 --> 00:25:11,160 you know so you just don't really bring 568 00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:11,820 it up huh 569 00:25:16,790 --> 00:25:14,640 you got some stories of fly aronia from 570 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:16,800 her grandfather that will freak you out 571 00:25:21,260 --> 00:25:19,290 I'll try to get him I'll try to get it 572 00:25:23,660 --> 00:25:21,270 recorded and share it with you but yeah 573 00:25:26,750 --> 00:25:23,670 like you do not mess with the ghosts in 574 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:26,760 Mexican superstition well that's cool I 575 00:25:29,900 --> 00:25:27,930 see I didn't know that I've learned 576 00:25:32,350 --> 00:25:29,910 something every time I get on yeah and 577 00:25:35,690 --> 00:25:32,360 yeah so Ashley's just telling me hey I I 578 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:35,700 might start a podcast cuz over here it's 579 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:36,570 rampant and 580 00:25:41,450 --> 00:25:39,330 over there there's no paranormal podcast 581 00:25:44,450 --> 00:25:41,460 I was like we never hear of stuff 582 00:25:46,909 --> 00:25:44,460 happening over there mm very rarely so 583 00:25:49,220 --> 00:25:46,919 that's why when he emailed me I was so 584 00:25:51,830 --> 00:25:49,230 happy when he agreed to come on so but 585 00:25:54,110 --> 00:25:51,840 yeah ash was it was episode 120 if 586 00:25:57,259 --> 00:25:54,120 anybody wants to check it out he and I I 587 00:26:00,350 --> 00:25:57,269 didn't I won't cover everything that he 588 00:26:06,350 --> 00:26:00,360 he talked about in the book but I'll 589 00:26:08,779 --> 00:26:06,360 share one of the very interesting as 590 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:08,789 Ryan said I had never quite heard of 591 00:26:14,450 --> 00:26:11,129 anything like this before but it does 592 00:26:16,129 --> 00:26:14,460 I'll say at the end something that may 593 00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:16,139 be a possibility and what it reminds me 594 00:26:23,419 --> 00:26:19,049 of but uh so yeah so we this is in India 595 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:23,429 and for those of you that don't know and 596 00:26:29,980 --> 00:26:26,610 I I didn't until not really until Ash 597 00:26:32,779 --> 00:26:29,990 told me but India is filled with cities 598 00:26:35,110 --> 00:26:32,789 but also has forests and high desert and 599 00:26:38,649 --> 00:26:35,120 wetland areas like a ton of them and 600 00:26:42,169 --> 00:26:38,659 there's of course lots of wildlife there 601 00:26:45,470 --> 00:26:42,179 including many big cats that you have to 602 00:26:49,399 --> 00:26:45,480 really watch your ass out for those are 603 00:26:54,980 --> 00:26:49,409 he said very prevalent in India so you 604 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:54,990 really have to watch out so he loved the 605 00:26:57,889 --> 00:26:56,610 wildlife and the outdoors enough to make 606 00:27:00,619 --> 00:26:57,899 it a profession so he's a naturalist 607 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:00,629 like he you know he's he's out the the 608 00:27:08,029 --> 00:27:04,129 bush every day all day that's his job so 609 00:27:10,430 --> 00:27:08,039 in the story that you know save for the 610 00:27:13,009 --> 00:27:10,440 readers was told to ash by a forest 611 00:27:15,289 --> 00:27:13,019 ranger and it was a super super creepy 612 00:27:17,690 --> 00:27:15,299 tale that has to do with something 613 00:27:19,129 --> 00:27:17,700 called a Naga but you guys have to read 614 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:19,139 that in the book it's really good 615 00:27:28,009 --> 00:27:22,850 but this one's good too I promise so 616 00:27:30,919 --> 00:27:28,019 this one he goes to an area of a wetland 617 00:27:33,769 --> 00:27:30,929 park to study sand boas so snakes right 618 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:33,779 so they're not far from the city at all 619 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:36,330 and the park is only roughly about eight 620 00:27:43,419 --> 00:27:38,730 square miles like eight that's quite 621 00:27:47,389 --> 00:27:43,429 small so yeah Central Park is hoping 622 00:27:49,810 --> 00:27:47,399 that's just Central Park so so he leaves 623 00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:49,820 a few members of the team behind 624 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:52,130 him and he's making his way like out of 625 00:27:58,990 --> 00:27:55,970 a clearing he's standing in towards he's 626 00:28:02,500 --> 00:27:59,000 like facing this watchtower that lays on 627 00:28:05,290 --> 00:28:02,510 this wetland and the watchtower stands 628 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:05,300 about 25 feet in the air and it's it's 629 00:28:10,750 --> 00:28:07,850 well above the tallest of grasses in 630 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:10,760 this area and actually two of his team 631 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:12,650 members are standing atop this 632 00:28:18,010 --> 00:28:16,250 watchtower and something very important 633 00:28:20,590 --> 00:28:18,020 to note is that in this location the 634 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:20,600 grass doesn't even reach his shoulders 635 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:23,650 so just keep that in mind everybody and 636 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:25,970 so the man and the woman atop the 637 00:28:30,850 --> 00:28:28,010 watchtower are lean forward and they are 638 00:28:34,690 --> 00:28:30,860 facing directly towards him and they're 639 00:28:36,610 --> 00:28:34,700 talking he waves at him like he's just 640 00:28:38,980 --> 00:28:36,620 walking that direction so he weighs and 641 00:28:41,380 --> 00:28:38,990 oh I forgot to mention he is in charge 642 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:41,390 of this team he's the boss out here so 643 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:43,130 that was important to mention on the 644 00:28:47,020 --> 00:28:44,450 onset I apologize 645 00:28:48,970 --> 00:28:47,030 so he's the boss so the boss is waving 646 00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:48,980 at these two people they don't way back 647 00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:52,640 he's like okay whatever guys waves again 648 00:28:58,090 --> 00:28:56,240 hey how's going no response and he makes 649 00:29:00,040 --> 00:28:58,100 a mental note since he is in charge to 650 00:29:02,050 --> 00:29:00,050 let them know hey any kind of 651 00:29:05,230 --> 00:29:02,060 communication out here is important you 652 00:29:07,210 --> 00:29:05,240 know so he's like all right fine 653 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:07,220 whatever turns to go back the way he 654 00:29:11,650 --> 00:29:10,010 came towards the group but he can't find 655 00:29:13,030 --> 00:29:11,660 the trail he can't find the clearing 656 00:29:16,660 --> 00:29:13,040 that he just left 657 00:29:19,030 --> 00:29:16,670 and now keep in mind ash is someone that 658 00:29:21,490 --> 00:29:19,040 has spent years and years and years 659 00:29:23,770 --> 00:29:21,500 including his childhood years in the 660 00:29:25,300 --> 00:29:23,780 bush he loves it he like he has great 661 00:29:27,580 --> 00:29:25,310 since the direction he knows where he's 662 00:29:30,670 --> 00:29:27,590 gone and where he's been so he really 663 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:30,680 should have been truly just mere steps 664 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:33,530 from where he set off but now none of 665 00:29:39,100 --> 00:29:36,890 this looks familiar to him and he does 666 00:29:42,250 --> 00:29:39,110 get a little worried just cuz that's not 667 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:42,260 like him to get kind of turned around so 668 00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:44,690 he turns back to the tower anyways again 669 00:29:51,820 --> 00:29:49,600 and guess what no response again and 670 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:51,830 mind you they're still looking right at 671 00:29:55,810 --> 00:29:53,810 the guy and he's going what the hell is 672 00:29:57,820 --> 00:29:55,820 going on they're not even reacting to me 673 00:30:01,690 --> 00:29:57,830 at all so he's like okay 674 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:01,700 well this is on and so instead of 675 00:30:04,610 --> 00:30:03,090 heading back again 676 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:04,620 he just heads forward towards the 677 00:30:11,030 --> 00:30:08,610 watchtower and he's okay this part this 678 00:30:14,990 --> 00:30:11,040 is when I go what in the actual hell he 679 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:15,000 says he's he's so close to it that if he 680 00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:17,970 had a 20 foot pole 20 feet not very long 681 00:30:23,930 --> 00:30:21,120 he could bunk these two folks on the 682 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:23,940 head okay so that includes the the 683 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:26,490 height of the of the damn thing so a 20 684 00:30:31,820 --> 00:30:28,410 foot pole he could bonk him on the head 685 00:30:34,730 --> 00:30:31,830 and as he's walking closer they're still 686 00:30:37,970 --> 00:30:34,740 not reacting to his presence and now 687 00:30:40,130 --> 00:30:37,980 he's in charge so he's he's trying to 688 00:30:41,930 --> 00:30:40,140 say face here and not you know we all 689 00:30:43,670 --> 00:30:41,940 have that ego in there whether we like 690 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:43,680 to admit it or not and he's like I 691 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:45,330 really don't want to like call out to 692 00:30:49,730 --> 00:30:46,410 these people but I'm getting a little 693 00:30:51,650 --> 00:30:49,740 freaked out here so he decides to call 694 00:30:52,970 --> 00:30:51,660 out to him whatever the names are I 695 00:30:54,740 --> 00:30:52,980 don't know he didn't say it you know 696 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:54,750 he's calling out to him and he says I 697 00:31:00,380 --> 00:30:57,210 called out so many times I lost track 698 00:31:04,430 --> 00:31:00,390 and still no response from these two 699 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:04,440 people so now he's really worried and he 700 00:31:09,770 --> 00:31:07,170 notices that and this sense gonna sound 701 00:31:11,450 --> 00:31:09,780 familiar to a lot of people especially 702 00:31:14,420 --> 00:31:11,460 probably for the Bigfoot side of things 703 00:31:18,910 --> 00:31:14,430 but he notices that all the normal 704 00:31:22,460 --> 00:31:18,920 daytime nature sounds are just gone and 705 00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:22,470 he all of a sudden notes that and the 706 00:31:27,410 --> 00:31:24,960 reason I brought up the topography of 707 00:31:28,490 --> 00:31:27,420 the area and the proximity to the cities 708 00:31:31,970 --> 00:31:28,500 and the wetlands and all this other 709 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:31,980 stuff this place was extremely near a 710 00:31:36,290 --> 00:31:34,290 very very busy Airport where a massive 711 00:31:38,390 --> 00:31:36,300 aircraft were you know landing and 712 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:38,400 taking off we own what is it every four 713 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:40,370 or five six minutes whatever it is and 714 00:31:45,500 --> 00:31:44,130 he's like don't hear a thing I have not 715 00:31:48,410 --> 00:31:45,510 heard a plane since this whole thing 716 00:31:51,530 --> 00:31:48,420 started I hear no noises what is going 717 00:31:53,210 --> 00:31:51,540 on and in fact there are massive power 718 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:53,220 lines overhead and usually those are 719 00:31:59,030 --> 00:31:55,850 humming totally silent 720 00:32:01,250 --> 00:31:59,040 he's freaked out officially now he's 721 00:32:02,540 --> 00:32:01,260 like now I am scared he had no problem 722 00:32:06,410 --> 00:32:02,550 admitting that he was terrified at this 723 00:32:09,050 --> 00:32:06,420 point so he's like okay watchtower not 724 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:09,060 working out so well so he turns again to 725 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:10,650 try to find his way out from where he 726 00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:14,010 originally came and all of a sudden 727 00:32:19,409 --> 00:32:17,289 after a very short distance 728 00:32:22,380 --> 00:32:19,419 he finds where he was and everything 729 00:32:23,639 --> 00:32:22,390 looks familiar and he could see the 730 00:32:25,470 --> 00:32:23,649 other team members are still there 731 00:32:28,130 --> 00:32:25,480 they're still with their nose in the 732 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:28,140 ground searching for these sand boas and 733 00:32:32,810 --> 00:32:30,130 they can see and they can hear him 734 00:32:36,090 --> 00:32:32,820 everything's like totally back to normal 735 00:32:38,190 --> 00:32:36,100 of course he's kind of going I was odd 736 00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:38,200 but I'm really glad that's over he goes 737 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:41,049 the long way which I don't blame him he 738 00:32:46,169 --> 00:32:43,450 goes the long way to the watchtower and 739 00:32:48,930 --> 00:32:46,179 he climbs the stairs and he can actually 740 00:32:52,529 --> 00:32:48,940 see right where he was when he was 741 00:32:54,419 --> 00:32:52,539 having this odd experience and he just 742 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:54,429 could not understand how he possibly 743 00:32:59,250 --> 00:32:56,890 could have gotten turned around as far 744 00:33:02,700 --> 00:32:59,260 as where he came in versus where he 745 00:33:05,220 --> 00:33:02,710 wanted to go back out and of course why 746 00:33:07,710 --> 00:33:05,230 couldn't those other two people see or 747 00:33:09,930 --> 00:33:07,720 hear him so you know that's why I called 748 00:33:13,139 --> 00:33:09,940 it the muted places he he said he just 749 00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:13,149 felt completely and totally muted not 750 00:33:19,169 --> 00:33:16,510 only muted but invisible so you know of 751 00:33:21,810 --> 00:33:19,179 course the the Italian hear in my mind 752 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:21,820 and a subject that I love to talk about 753 00:33:27,450 --> 00:33:25,210 and I've spoken to David myself is of 754 00:33:29,190 --> 00:33:27,460 course the missing for one want and I 755 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:29,200 can't help it go god is that what 756 00:33:32,610 --> 00:33:31,330 happens to those people you know when 757 00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:32,620 you're talking about a little kid or 758 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:35,440 something that they're you know 10 or 20 759 00:33:39,210 --> 00:33:37,090 feet in front of you they go over a hill 760 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:39,220 and poof they're gone just no sign of 761 00:33:45,980 --> 00:33:42,850 them ever ever again and I mean I don't 762 00:33:49,830 --> 00:33:45,990 know but then you talk to somebody like 763 00:33:53,340 --> 00:33:49,840 Pam Pam had come on and and her thing is 764 00:33:55,500 --> 00:33:53,350 the Faye she sees Faye not on a daily 765 00:33:59,310 --> 00:33:55,510 basis but enough that it has changed her 766 00:34:02,159 --> 00:33:59,320 life and she sees them in various places 767 00:34:04,649 --> 00:34:02,169 including on people's backs in Walmart's 768 00:34:07,169 --> 00:34:04,659 or up in the trees on her own property 769 00:34:11,780 --> 00:34:07,179 and she had an experience in Ireland 770 00:34:14,820 --> 00:34:11,790 where she had gone down this trail and 771 00:34:17,129 --> 00:34:14,830 she and her friend actually basically 772 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:17,139 made it into a place that very much 773 00:34:23,220 --> 00:34:19,210 reminds me of what Ash brought up and 774 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:23,230 she had physical problems after that as 775 00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:25,690 well so that mirrors what happened in 776 00:34:30,389 --> 00:34:28,649 our last story for an unfounded call 777 00:34:32,819 --> 00:34:30,399 thankfully ash 778 00:34:36,779 --> 00:34:32,829 besides the fear and of course feeling 779 00:34:39,299 --> 00:34:36,789 invisible had no lasting effects from 780 00:34:40,799 --> 00:34:39,309 what he can he can tell but he he admits 781 00:34:42,720 --> 00:34:40,809 that that was very terrifying for him 782 00:34:44,899 --> 00:34:42,730 and I can only imagine especially when 783 00:34:47,849 --> 00:34:44,909 you feel like you're right there in 784 00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:47,859 these people are not reacting to you 785 00:34:53,250 --> 00:34:50,529 that must have been terrifying yeah like 786 00:34:55,649 --> 00:34:53,260 you literally do not exist in time and 787 00:34:57,740 --> 00:34:55,659 space in that night yeah like that's the 788 00:34:59,940 --> 00:34:57,750 stuff of nightmares for me I think I 789 00:35:03,569 --> 00:34:59,950 think I would love to experience 790 00:35:06,450 --> 00:35:03,579 something to a point in some of these 791 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:06,460 stories where I could be even more 792 00:35:10,740 --> 00:35:08,650 empathetic to somebody but some of these 793 00:35:12,299 --> 00:35:10,750 stories you're going you're on your own 794 00:35:13,620 --> 00:35:12,309 on that one I don't know that I would 795 00:35:15,839 --> 00:35:13,630 want to experience that you know I 796 00:35:17,940 --> 00:35:15,849 always try to be very understanding an 797 00:35:21,210 --> 00:35:17,950 empathetic but some of them you're going 798 00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:21,220 yeah that would suck really really bad 799 00:35:29,970 --> 00:35:26,079 and as you know as I know a lot of times 800 00:35:31,500 --> 00:35:29,980 as long as it's not in your own home you 801 00:35:33,089 --> 00:35:31,510 know if people avoid going into the 802 00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:33,099 woods so they avoid go into a certain 803 00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:35,200 place because this shitty thing happened 804 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:36,400 to them and it terrified them and 805 00:35:40,380 --> 00:35:39,130 changed their life and you know the 806 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:40,390 whole reason I mentioned the housing is 807 00:35:44,490 --> 00:35:42,010 you most people can't just up and 808 00:35:46,049 --> 00:35:44,500 freakin move if a shadow massive shadow 809 00:35:48,510 --> 00:35:46,059 man is standing in your bedroom and 810 00:35:49,890 --> 00:35:48,520 that's what makes them real [\h__\h] to 811 00:35:51,359 --> 00:35:49,900 be honest with you because they seem to 812 00:35:54,329 --> 00:35:51,369 love to terrorize people in their own 813 00:35:55,769 --> 00:35:54,339 homes but yeah ash as far as I know he's 814 00:35:57,900 --> 00:35:55,779 still doing his job he's still out in 815 00:36:00,599 --> 00:35:57,910 the bush and and still loves it but he 816 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:00,609 he was full of incredible stories I love 817 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:03,130 talking to him this idea - of like the 818 00:36:09,240 --> 00:36:06,010 the forest or you know even let's say 819 00:36:11,039 --> 00:36:09,250 the wooden the wetlands are they there's 820 00:36:14,430 --> 00:36:11,049 something about them the way they 821 00:36:19,109 --> 00:36:14,440 communicate with the people in them is 822 00:36:20,670 --> 00:36:19,119 so subjective and like so surreal like 823 00:36:22,769 --> 00:36:20,680 you can have two people in a room in a 824 00:36:25,019 --> 00:36:22,779 house and like you're kind of hearing 825 00:36:28,140 --> 00:36:25,029 and seeing the same stuff but when you 826 00:36:31,289 --> 00:36:28,150 get out in these places that are so like 827 00:36:33,390 --> 00:36:31,299 uncharted for most human beings some 828 00:36:35,940 --> 00:36:33,400 places have never even been stepped on 829 00:36:38,309 --> 00:36:35,950 by human feet there's something just 830 00:36:40,289 --> 00:36:38,319 magical about it and like there's 831 00:36:42,510 --> 00:36:40,299 probably stuff going on that we can't 832 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:42,520 even fathom and the fact that he almost 833 00:36:48,900 --> 00:36:44,770 like blinked into 834 00:36:53,940 --> 00:36:48,910 who knows what like invisibility cloak 835 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:53,950 or another dimension in where you know 836 00:36:58,980 --> 00:36:56,770 he was still in that wetland but not in 837 00:37:02,130 --> 00:36:58,990 like they couldn't see her here ages 838 00:37:04,350 --> 00:37:02,140 it's so crazy so this one yeah that was 839 00:37:06,420 --> 00:37:04,360 probably my favorite I'm gonna be honest 840 00:37:10,290 --> 00:37:06,430 because it just unnerved me to no end 841 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:10,300 like God well here's here's another big 842 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:12,970 one the war never ended this one was 843 00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:14,890 really it really put into perspective 844 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:18,250 for me the idea of of this like ghost 845 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:20,650 tape theory that I've heard about in the 846 00:37:25,950 --> 00:37:23,050 supernatural where like memories and 847 00:37:29,580 --> 00:37:25,960 energies of not just one but like many 848 00:37:31,500 --> 00:37:29,590 spirits that can reside and almost play 849 00:37:33,270 --> 00:37:31,510 on like a loop of sorts like you're 850 00:37:36,510 --> 00:37:33,280 literally rewinding pushing play 851 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:36,520 rewinding pushing play so yeah can you 852 00:37:44,670 --> 00:37:38,650 maybe tell us a little about Jeff in the 853 00:37:49,050 --> 00:37:44,680 state park that he worked at owls are 854 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:49,060 somehow connected to UFOs I don't say 855 00:37:54,660 --> 00:37:51,970 that lightly after over a decade of 856 00:37:57,420 --> 00:37:54,670 obsessive investigation I am convinced 857 00:37:59,370 --> 00:37:57,430 of this connection as strange as it may 858 00:38:01,200 --> 00:37:59,380 seem people are seeing owls in the 859 00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:01,210 highly-charged moments of a UFO sighting 860 00:38:06,990 --> 00:38:03,760 and within the challenging memories of 861 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:07,000 UFO abduction this mystery has been the 862 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:09,970 focus of my research my name is Mike 863 00:38:15,150 --> 00:38:11,890 Cleland and I have explored these 864 00:38:17,310 --> 00:38:15,160 connections in my book the messengers at 865 00:38:19,830 --> 00:38:17,320 its core this book is simply a 866 00:38:23,490 --> 00:38:19,840 collection of stories and each is a 867 00:38:27,210 --> 00:38:23,500 remarkable real-life experience the 868 00:38:30,470 --> 00:38:27,220 messengers is also my own story of how 869 00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:30,480 Al's played a role in my life 870 00:38:36,390 --> 00:38:33,280 the messengers is the first in a trilogy 871 00:38:39,750 --> 00:38:36,400 of books all my books are available on 872 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:39,760 Amazon in paperback eBook and very soon 873 00:38:48,060 --> 00:38:45,850 as audio books both beyond the fray 874 00:38:50,370 --> 00:38:48,070 books are co-authored by myself and of 875 00:38:53,100 --> 00:38:50,380 course G Michael Hoff first name Jeff 876 00:38:55,740 --> 00:38:53,110 and you know he's written like 40 877 00:38:58,150 --> 00:38:55,750 something books he's quite prolific and 878 00:39:00,820 --> 00:38:58,160 yes he's a busy man 879 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:00,830 and he's he's my partner in this whole 880 00:39:05,790 --> 00:39:02,810 thing and this is actually his story 881 00:39:09,010 --> 00:39:05,800 that he was on an episode two three zero 882 00:39:12,340 --> 00:39:09,020 and it was it was all about Point 883 00:39:14,350 --> 00:39:12,350 Lookout State Park in Maryland so um 884 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:14,360 which is cool because I got some 885 00:39:17,500 --> 00:39:15,890 feedback from people going oh my god I 886 00:39:22,020 --> 00:39:17,510 went there and yeah it's definitely got 887 00:39:24,580 --> 00:39:22,030 a creepy vibe so so this takes us back 888 00:39:27,850 --> 00:39:24,590 before Jeff actually went into the 889 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:27,860 service and you know for people that 890 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:30,290 don't know Point Lookout State Park 891 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:32,210 during the time of the Civil War was 892 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:35,450 actually a POWs camp and visitors and 893 00:39:40,780 --> 00:39:37,610 employees alike if had experiences there 894 00:39:43,150 --> 00:39:40,790 and again before he left for recruit 895 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:43,160 training in the Marine Corps he actually 896 00:39:47,140 --> 00:39:44,930 lived and worked in the park for three 897 00:39:49,450 --> 00:39:47,150 months because his older brother John 898 00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:49,460 who was a park ranger at the time got 899 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:51,200 him a job there it seemed like you know 900 00:39:58,480 --> 00:39:53,330 a perfect summer job before you go off 901 00:40:00,310 --> 00:39:58,490 to basic training and all that so what 902 00:40:02,830 --> 00:40:00,320 he did there was actually work in the 903 00:40:07,090 --> 00:40:02,840 camp office and would do kind of random 904 00:40:10,660 --> 00:40:07,100 jobs in the park so himself his brother 905 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:10,670 and another Ranger named Jamie they 906 00:40:15,100 --> 00:40:13,370 lived in a small single room building 907 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:15,110 and and then they just partitioned it 908 00:40:20,140 --> 00:40:17,930 off with lockers and probably had a one 909 00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:20,150 couch in there and we're sleeping on 910 00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:22,250 cots but perfect for young guys he loved 911 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:26,720 it and you know something to kind of 912 00:40:32,170 --> 00:40:29,570 preface hearing about what Jeff 913 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:32,180 experienced there would be the fact that 914 00:40:37,030 --> 00:40:35,090 during the Civil War it was it was meant 915 00:40:40,270 --> 00:40:37,040 to only hold about 10,000 prisoners but 916 00:40:42,070 --> 00:40:40,280 instead they held over 20,000 so you 917 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:42,080 could imagine the kind of conditions 918 00:40:47,170 --> 00:40:44,810 that these guys were were faced with and 919 00:40:48,340 --> 00:40:47,180 the deaths and the sickness and the 920 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:48,350 suffering that they were going through 921 00:40:55,950 --> 00:40:51,650 so that is a snapshot a just quick 922 00:41:01,450 --> 00:40:55,960 snapshot of Point Lookout State Park but 923 00:41:03,310 --> 00:41:01,460 so even before Jeff sleeps one single 924 00:41:05,410 --> 00:41:03,320 night in the park he has something 925 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:05,420 happen and the three of the guys are 926 00:41:10,780 --> 00:41:07,490 sitting in their living room and the 927 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:10,790 front door opens and the other Ranger 928 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:11,690 Jamie 929 00:41:17,650 --> 00:41:14,810 had a dog and the dog immediately jumps 930 00:41:19,930 --> 00:41:17,660 to its feet and has its hair raised up 931 00:41:24,250 --> 00:41:19,940 not a good sign guys I'm just gonna let 932 00:41:26,020 --> 00:41:24,260 you know right there yeah you see that 933 00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:26,030 you better just go and get the thermal 934 00:41:29,829 --> 00:41:27,440 camera out because you might want to 935 00:41:32,380 --> 00:41:29,839 catch something yeah and then it's 936 00:41:35,500 --> 00:41:32,390 growling to go along with the hair 937 00:41:37,620 --> 00:41:35,510 standing up and Jeff looks over at 938 00:41:40,780 --> 00:41:37,630 Jamie's like what's going on man and 939 00:41:46,180 --> 00:41:40,790 Jamie only smiles and answers we have a 940 00:41:49,630 --> 00:41:46,190 visitor like he's like okay and so he 941 00:41:52,540 --> 00:41:49,640 keeps watching the dog and they're still 942 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:52,550 sitting on the couch with a space in 943 00:41:58,780 --> 00:41:56,810 between Jeff and Jamie and when he told 944 00:42:01,450 --> 00:41:58,790 me this Fred I'm like I can see this and 945 00:42:03,579 --> 00:42:01,460 it just gets the hair raised on yourself 946 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:03,589 he says that he's watching the dog and 947 00:42:09,099 --> 00:42:05,810 the dog is watching from the front door 948 00:42:11,380 --> 00:42:09,109 and it starts to slowly turn its head 949 00:42:14,260 --> 00:42:11,390 towards the couch as if something had 950 00:42:16,630 --> 00:42:14,270 come in the front door and then sat down 951 00:42:18,819 --> 00:42:16,640 in between the two of them because it's 952 00:42:22,420 --> 00:42:18,829 now staring directly in between Jamie 953 00:42:24,609 --> 00:42:22,430 and Jeff on the couch so yeah there 954 00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:24,619 wasn't quite the empty space that it 955 00:42:29,260 --> 00:42:26,720 looked to be from from what the dog was 956 00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:29,270 saying and of course Jeff's like as far 957 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:30,530 as I could tell there's nothing there 958 00:42:36,250 --> 00:42:33,050 but the dog kept growling and after a 959 00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:36,260 minute it its head starts to move back 960 00:42:44,020 --> 00:42:40,160 to the front door so dog comes back down 961 00:42:46,660 --> 00:42:44,030 stops growling sits back down and Jeff 962 00:42:48,460 --> 00:42:46,670 is like okay I guess we did have a 963 00:42:49,930 --> 00:42:48,470 visitor and you know Jamie's just like 964 00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:49,940 he's been there for a while so he 965 00:42:54,849 --> 00:42:51,680 already knows he's just kind of grinning 966 00:42:57,099 --> 00:42:54,859 about it and at this point she is like 967 00:42:58,690 --> 00:42:57,109 this is cool I like this place no big 968 00:43:01,480 --> 00:42:58,700 deal but you know it doesn't in there 969 00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:01,490 for him so a few weeks go by and he's 970 00:43:06,670 --> 00:43:03,920 working really long hours mostly night 971 00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:06,680 shift in the camp office and he does 972 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:09,170 admit to seeing some door slam or having 973 00:43:16,770 --> 00:43:12,050 items go missing but he wanted he really 974 00:43:19,329 --> 00:43:16,780 did he wanted a profound experience and 975 00:43:23,500 --> 00:43:19,339 he's like kind of waiting for this to 976 00:43:25,749 --> 00:43:23,510 happen in and it's not until one night 977 00:43:28,539 --> 00:43:25,759 in the middle of the summer 978 00:43:31,809 --> 00:43:28,549 there's another Ranger his name was Mike 979 00:43:34,450 --> 00:43:31,819 he shows up in the patrol car and he's 980 00:43:37,359 --> 00:43:34,460 like hey gee I got a job for you at the 981 00:43:39,940 --> 00:43:37,369 beach house and this was a building on 982 00:43:41,799 --> 00:43:39,950 the beach side of the river and it was 983 00:43:44,259 --> 00:43:41,809 full of basically the bathrooms and the 984 00:43:46,269 --> 00:43:44,269 showers and the changing stalls so they 985 00:43:48,849 --> 00:43:46,279 pull up to the beach house and Mike 986 00:43:51,789 --> 00:43:48,859 hands Jeff a radio and a flashlight and 987 00:43:53,559 --> 00:43:51,799 drives away anything okay well this is 988 00:43:55,690 --> 00:43:53,569 gonna be a whole lot of fun so you know 989 00:43:56,859 --> 00:43:55,700 part of his job was to clean things so 990 00:43:59,079 --> 00:43:56,869 we didn't always there to clean the 991 00:44:02,140 --> 00:43:59,089 bathrooms and the stalls and all this so 992 00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:02,150 he heads to the women's side first and 993 00:44:07,319 --> 00:44:04,160 he unlocks the door turns on the lights 994 00:44:10,509 --> 00:44:07,329 he heads to the back of what is a 995 00:44:11,499 --> 00:44:10,519 building to the supply closet he gets 996 00:44:14,769 --> 00:44:11,509 out what he needs 997 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:14,779 mops and buckets and things and he's 998 00:44:18,849 --> 00:44:16,249 cleaning one of the stalls when he hears 999 00:44:21,009 --> 00:44:18,859 the front door to the side of the 1000 00:44:25,359 --> 00:44:21,019 building swing open it's very distinct 1001 00:44:28,029 --> 00:44:25,369 and he hears hard-soled shoes crunching 1002 00:44:29,170 --> 00:44:28,039 sand into the ceramic tile I mean 1003 00:44:33,249 --> 00:44:29,180 they're right on the beach sounds like 1004 00:44:36,460 --> 00:44:33,259 sand on tile so the footsteps get almost 1005 00:44:39,249 --> 00:44:36,470 all the way to the shower when she calls 1006 00:44:42,220 --> 00:44:39,259 out who's there and there's of course no 1007 00:44:44,259 --> 00:44:42,230 response and the steps stopped which is 1008 00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:44,269 kind of creepy to me when you really 1009 00:44:46,359 --> 00:44:45,920 think about that because it did react to 1010 00:44:50,589 --> 00:44:46,369 him 1011 00:44:51,549 --> 00:44:50,599 and it's got nothing else so and by god 1012 00:44:54,849 --> 00:44:51,559 I would have done the same thing he 1013 00:44:56,589 --> 00:44:54,859 grabs his massive Maglite and those are 1014 00:44:59,079 --> 00:44:56,599 pretty old school and like cops use them 1015 00:45:01,839 --> 00:44:59,089 and stuff and you can use those as a 1016 00:45:03,549 --> 00:45:01,849 weapon for sure they're heavy as hell so 1017 00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:03,559 he grabs that thing and he makes his way 1018 00:45:07,690 --> 00:45:06,079 around the building and he's going stall 1019 00:45:11,079 --> 00:45:07,700 to stall and throwing the curtains back 1020 00:45:14,410 --> 00:45:11,089 and you know I mean to me that seems 1021 00:45:16,089 --> 00:45:14,420 really like I mean what else are you 1022 00:45:18,009 --> 00:45:16,099 gonna do and he even said it seems like 1023 00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:18,019 it's right out of a damn horror movie 1024 00:45:21,870 --> 00:45:19,249 but that's what he's doing because he's 1025 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:21,880 like I know I heard somebody in here 1026 00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:24,890 nobody's back there nobody at all can't 1027 00:45:30,579 --> 00:45:27,170 find a soul so he goes back to work on 1028 00:45:32,019 --> 00:45:30,589 the other side and he's got his head 1029 00:45:34,299 --> 00:45:32,029 down and I actually think he's like 1030 00:45:35,979 --> 00:45:34,309 cleaning around like a toilet area or 1031 00:45:39,310 --> 00:45:35,989 something so he's facing towards a wall 1032 00:45:41,530 --> 00:45:39,320 and like a few second 1033 00:45:44,590 --> 00:45:41,540 later you know this footsteps are gone 1034 00:45:49,210 --> 00:45:44,600 but he just knows that there's someone 1035 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:49,220 standing directly behind him and he said 1036 00:45:54,550 --> 00:45:52,010 that there was such intense fear all of 1037 00:45:56,530 --> 00:45:54,560 a sudden in those moments that it 1038 00:45:58,060 --> 00:45:56,540 prevented him he just couldn't bring 1039 00:46:00,130 --> 00:45:58,070 himself to turn around it prevented him 1040 00:46:03,370 --> 00:46:00,140 from doing so and he's he's just 1041 00:46:08,410 --> 00:46:03,380 absolutely terrified so all he can do is 1042 00:46:10,750 --> 00:46:08,420 yell no and then he manages to stand and 1043 00:46:15,190 --> 00:46:10,760 he does turn at this point and he again 1044 00:46:18,190 --> 00:46:15,200 yells no but there's nobody there he 1045 00:46:22,090 --> 00:46:18,200 can't see anybody but he can still feel 1046 00:46:24,910 --> 00:46:22,100 this presence there so at this point 1047 00:46:26,980 --> 00:46:24,920 he's like screw this I'm out I'm I'm 1048 00:46:28,930 --> 00:46:26,990 over this I don't care about you know 1049 00:46:30,610 --> 00:46:28,940 clean the rest this place so he quickly 1050 00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:30,620 just throws everything back in the 1051 00:46:35,740 --> 00:46:33,200 supply closet gets mic on the radio and 1052 00:46:39,250 --> 00:46:35,750 he's like come get me dude I'm done 1053 00:46:42,310 --> 00:46:39,260 let's go and the second he gets in the 1054 00:46:44,890 --> 00:46:42,320 car my can like instantly tell 1055 00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:44,900 something's wrong with them and Jeff 1056 00:46:49,390 --> 00:46:47,090 admits he saw nothing but something was 1057 00:46:50,740 --> 00:46:49,400 in there he goes I I know that something 1058 00:46:54,430 --> 00:46:50,750 was there I heard some things I felt 1059 00:46:56,590 --> 00:46:54,440 something and Mike just replace well 1060 00:47:01,300 --> 00:46:56,600 yeah why do you think I had you do it 1061 00:47:03,430 --> 00:47:01,310 I'll never go in there again he got 1062 00:47:05,530 --> 00:47:03,440 totally set up on that one Mike was 1063 00:47:09,370 --> 00:47:05,540 totally a new kid all right you're going 1064 00:47:13,210 --> 00:47:09,380 to the beach house have fun buddy yeah 1065 00:47:15,130 --> 00:47:13,220 so that that place a very active 1066 00:47:18,010 --> 00:47:15,140 location I would love to make it out 1067 00:47:20,980 --> 00:47:18,020 there one of these days and do some 1068 00:47:23,650 --> 00:47:20,990 investigating and and spend the night go 1069 00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:23,660 in the beach house and yeah I'll do some 1070 00:47:29,350 --> 00:47:25,730 cleaning to have a creepy experience 1071 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:29,360 like that that was it was pretty cool we 1072 00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:31,330 have them come on and tell those stories 1073 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:34,370 absolutely yeah and it it makes sense 1074 00:47:39,370 --> 00:47:35,930 that you two are now working together 1075 00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:39,380 it's just a match made in paranormal and 1076 00:47:44,290 --> 00:47:42,130 weird heaven right oh absolutely yeah 1077 00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:44,300 and it's it's you know I like when 1078 00:47:48,130 --> 00:47:46,610 because Jeff's got you know military 1079 00:47:50,740 --> 00:47:48,140 background all of that it's really cool 1080 00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:50,750 when I mean just like in your field it's 1081 00:47:54,730 --> 00:47:53,090 just it's it lends credit 1082 00:47:57,580 --> 00:47:54,740 ability when you have somebody like that 1083 00:47:59,170 --> 00:47:57,590 willing to go yeah I've had some weird 1084 00:48:02,410 --> 00:47:59,180 should happen I've seen some weird [\h__\h] 1085 00:48:03,700 --> 00:48:02,420 and I'm we need to talk about it I love 1086 00:48:05,350 --> 00:48:03,710 when people like that come forward you 1087 00:48:07,750 --> 00:48:05,360 know just like my sheriff's deputy for 1088 00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:07,760 an unfounded call you always just go 1089 00:48:13,060 --> 00:48:09,850 this is great I mean not that we're 1090 00:48:15,580 --> 00:48:13,070 we're knocking like myself like 1091 00:48:17,500 --> 00:48:15,590 quote-unquote normal folks at all but it 1092 00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:17,510 it does lend a little bit more credence 1093 00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:19,040 to a story when you have folks like this 1094 00:48:22,930 --> 00:48:21,200 come forward oh absolutely yeah it's the 1095 00:48:25,540 --> 00:48:22,940 same in the UFO field you know if we can 1096 00:48:28,180 --> 00:48:25,550 get pilots and military people to go on 1097 00:48:30,340 --> 00:48:28,190 the record like that just ups the 1098 00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:30,350 credibility and the legitimacy I mean 1099 00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:32,570 these are trained observers so if 1100 00:48:38,350 --> 00:48:34,610 they're saying they still can't identify 1101 00:48:40,300 --> 00:48:38,360 things in our skies or you know stuff 1102 00:48:42,310 --> 00:48:40,310 like that then there's a problem there's 1103 00:48:44,860 --> 00:48:42,320 stuff area not just the problem there's 1104 00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:44,870 clearly something anomalous occurring 1105 00:48:51,220 --> 00:48:48,290 which is so wonderful yeah it's the 1106 00:48:53,860 --> 00:48:51,230 world we living all right well then next 1107 00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:53,870 one I want to I want to wrap up with 1108 00:48:58,930 --> 00:48:57,410 Shan is when to go in Iowa the legend of 1109 00:49:00,520 --> 00:48:58,940 the one to go it's admittedly it's 1110 00:49:03,790 --> 00:49:00,530 something that I haven't really looked 1111 00:49:06,910 --> 00:49:03,800 much into so maybe give us a little 1112 00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:06,920 crash course on what a Wendigo is and 1113 00:49:13,270 --> 00:49:09,410 yeah how it may have been experienced in 1114 00:49:17,770 --> 00:49:13,280 Iowa of all places yeah so the Windigo 1115 00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:17,780 is is something that is it's supposed to 1116 00:49:21,700 --> 00:49:19,850 be and sometimes I think that 1117 00:49:24,130 --> 00:49:21,710 skinwalkers and Wendigo might be a 1118 00:49:27,540 --> 00:49:24,140 little interchangeable it depends on 1119 00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:27,550 what you're reading but a Wendigo is 1120 00:49:33,730 --> 00:49:31,490 something that it is human but it's it's 1121 00:49:35,860 --> 00:49:33,740 not but then sometimes if you talk to 1122 00:49:38,890 --> 00:49:35,870 read another blog is just a straight 1123 00:49:42,100 --> 00:49:38,900 cryptid meaning that it always was an 1124 00:49:44,860 --> 00:49:42,110 emaciated naked white thing with 1125 00:49:46,750 --> 00:49:44,870 sometimes horns and sometimes not and 1126 00:49:48,580 --> 00:49:46,760 always just creeping around and never 1127 00:49:49,630 --> 00:49:48,590 seems to eat a damn hamburger because 1128 00:49:54,730 --> 00:49:49,640 it's always emaciated 1129 00:49:56,500 --> 00:49:54,740 but um yeah Windigo are depending on who 1130 00:49:58,570 --> 00:49:56,510 you talk to you again or depending on 1131 00:50:01,990 --> 00:49:58,580 what you read they can either be good or 1132 00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:02,000 bad much like the Mothman you know it's 1133 00:50:04,690 --> 00:50:03,920 either a harbinger of doom or it's there 1134 00:50:06,730 --> 00:50:04,700 to warn you 1135 00:50:08,319 --> 00:50:06,740 of impending doom so that would be a 1136 00:50:13,240 --> 00:50:08,329 good thing right 1137 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:13,250 and this woman that I talked to I still 1138 00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:16,010 am in touch with her she still has some 1139 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:18,890 kind of sort of activity in her a home 1140 00:50:25,270 --> 00:50:22,970 this is another incident where she sees 1141 00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:25,280 something weird and then it just 1142 00:50:29,079 --> 00:50:26,450 escalates from there 1143 00:50:30,900 --> 00:50:29,089 and it seems to touch other aspects of 1144 00:50:33,579 --> 00:50:30,910 her life including her children which 1145 00:50:36,970 --> 00:50:33,589 actually really pisses me off when that 1146 00:50:38,770 --> 00:50:36,980 happens I can't imagine you know 1147 00:50:40,450 --> 00:50:38,780 something that you can't see you can't 1148 00:50:42,339 --> 00:50:40,460 feel you can't touch you can't fight and 1149 00:50:46,660 --> 00:50:42,349 it's messing with the kids that's never 1150 00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:46,670 a good thing so and you know she and I 1151 00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:51,680 agreed with lack of anything else to 1152 00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:54,770 label this thing which is again why it 1153 00:50:58,930 --> 00:50:56,570 was perfect for a pair of Malcom ation 1154 00:51:01,359 --> 00:50:58,940 yes we just couldn't think of anything 1155 00:51:03,700 --> 00:51:01,369 else - we've called it a win to go and 1156 00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:03,710 she did first admittedly I didn't put 1157 00:51:08,470 --> 00:51:05,570 that in her head or anything but it was 1158 00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:08,480 something that I'll and I'll get to the 1159 00:51:12,220 --> 00:51:10,010 story shortly runs like we shut up and 1160 00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:12,230 get to the story I you know but once she 1161 00:51:17,050 --> 00:51:15,050 had seen this thing she didn't really 1162 00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:17,060 even know Oh what to go look for as far 1163 00:51:20,020 --> 00:51:18,650 as googling or any of that stuff and 1164 00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:20,030 admittedly she was scared out of her 1165 00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:21,530 wits oh she probably didn't want to but 1166 00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:22,970 she had been listening to another 1167 00:51:29,620 --> 00:51:27,290 podcast and they mentioned the physical 1168 00:51:31,569 --> 00:51:29,630 attributes and the characteristics of 1169 00:51:34,150 --> 00:51:31,579 this this Windigo is what they were 1170 00:51:37,420 --> 00:51:34,160 specifically covering and she would then 1171 00:51:39,849 --> 00:51:37,430 put when to go into google lovely google 1172 00:51:43,569 --> 00:51:39,859 and she said the very first picture that 1173 00:51:46,030 --> 00:51:43,579 came up it it just her blood ran cold 1174 00:51:49,630 --> 00:51:46,040 she's like oh my god that's what I saw 1175 00:51:50,859 --> 00:51:49,640 that night so you know basically we're 1176 00:51:53,109 --> 00:51:50,869 not calling it Wendigo but we are 1177 00:51:55,089 --> 00:51:53,119 because for a lack of a better term and 1178 00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:55,099 and for identification purposes that's 1179 00:52:01,390 --> 00:51:57,170 the closest thing that she could come up 1180 00:52:04,349 --> 00:52:01,400 with so all right so this is not long 1181 00:52:08,230 --> 00:52:04,359 ago this is only a few years back in in 1182 00:52:09,849 --> 00:52:08,240 2017 and before she told me the only 1183 00:52:10,900 --> 00:52:09,859 other person that had heard this story 1184 00:52:17,020 --> 00:52:10,910 was her husband 1185 00:52:19,010 --> 00:52:17,030 so 2017 were were in rural Iowa and she 1186 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:19,020 has 1187 00:52:25,730 --> 00:52:22,410 in a larger city which meant a pretty 1188 00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:25,740 massive commute and one way was an hour 1189 00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:27,570 and a half so that's quite the bummer 1190 00:52:32,690 --> 00:52:30,690 I've had to do that myself and this poor 1191 00:52:35,660 --> 00:52:32,700 thing she has to be to work at 5:00 a.m. 1192 00:52:39,079 --> 00:52:35,670 so that means she's on the road really 1193 00:52:41,630 --> 00:52:39,089 early and it's always dark and what made 1194 00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:41,640 this time even more difficult is she's 1195 00:52:49,370 --> 00:52:45,450 pregnant so on this particular morning 1196 00:52:51,349 --> 00:52:49,380 she recalls it's it's very dark she said 1197 00:52:53,599 --> 00:52:51,359 it was it was clear though no clouds and 1198 00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:53,609 there were stars shining really quite 1199 00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:55,650 brightly so there's enough of that 1200 00:53:01,730 --> 00:52:59,040 ambient light around and she's not ten 1201 00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:01,740 minutes from her house when her 1202 00:53:07,310 --> 00:53:03,930 headlights touch on something off to the 1203 00:53:10,609 --> 00:53:07,320 left and it's just past a small bridge 1204 00:53:12,109 --> 00:53:10,619 that crosses a creek and immediately of 1205 00:53:15,589 --> 00:53:12,119 course she's in Iowa she thinks it's an 1206 00:53:19,579 --> 00:53:15,599 animal so she begins to slow down and it 1207 00:53:22,460 --> 00:53:19,589 doesn't move and she's getting you know 1208 00:53:24,410 --> 00:53:22,470 closer and closer and because it's it 1209 00:53:26,270 --> 00:53:24,420 seems larger than she thought she's like 1210 00:53:29,030 --> 00:53:26,280 it actually looks like a piece of like 1211 00:53:31,609 --> 00:53:29,040 equipment or something so driving closer 1212 00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:31,619 she realizes it's in the shape of a 1213 00:53:35,540 --> 00:53:32,210 person 1214 00:53:39,740 --> 00:53:35,550 but it's naked and it's extremely 1215 00:53:42,170 --> 00:53:39,750 emaciated and it's actually sitting with 1216 00:53:45,260 --> 00:53:42,180 its knees pulled up to its chest and 1217 00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:45,270 then its arms are you know if you sit 1218 00:53:52,190 --> 00:53:47,280 down and you wrap your arms around your 1219 00:53:56,030 --> 00:53:52,200 legs as such it's got super long arms 1220 00:53:58,430 --> 00:53:56,040 slender fingers and this is a really 1221 00:54:01,790 --> 00:53:58,440 messed up part but it's its torso she 1222 00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:01,800 said was much too long for a normal 1223 00:54:07,339 --> 00:54:03,920 human being 1224 00:54:11,059 --> 00:54:07,349 it it thankfully it was not looking at 1225 00:54:14,690 --> 00:54:11,069 her and and going back to that torso 1226 00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:14,700 this is an important part it was so long 1227 00:54:20,780 --> 00:54:17,490 that she guessed if it stood up it would 1228 00:54:21,550 --> 00:54:20,790 be about eight feet tall so nope no 1229 00:54:24,980 --> 00:54:21,560 thank you 1230 00:54:27,319 --> 00:54:24,990 screw that yeah just this the skinny 1231 00:54:28,849 --> 00:54:27,329 little naked thing a feet ah no wonder 1232 00:54:31,130 --> 00:54:28,859 it's so skinny 1233 00:54:36,860 --> 00:54:31,140 that's digestive tract is 1234 00:54:38,540 --> 00:54:36,870 like yeah right it's like I hide it eat 1235 00:54:41,060 --> 00:54:38,550 a hamburger and worry what do you think 1236 00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:41,070 I'm trying here guys eight feet no that 1237 00:54:56,990 --> 00:54:45,210 is terrifying I'm a leprechaun over here 1238 00:54:59,210 --> 00:54:57,000 by the way no your plaid man stop it all 1239 00:55:00,590 --> 00:54:59,220 right sorry to interrupt we need to we 1240 00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:00,600 need to have all the new hashtags to 1241 00:55:06,290 --> 00:55:05,040 come out for that you know yes right hey 1242 00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:06,300 we're still working on that Tulpa 1243 00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:08,370 remember when we did the Tulpa idea and 1244 00:55:13,790 --> 00:55:10,650 I got so much mail yep 1245 00:55:16,220 --> 00:55:13,800 you were like yours don't be stupid 1246 00:55:17,780 --> 00:55:16,230 you can't do that I was like you're 1247 00:55:19,700 --> 00:55:17,790 right it's pretty stupid and we're not 1248 00:55:22,250 --> 00:55:19,710 gonna do it I'm sorry we were gonna 1249 00:55:22,790 --> 00:55:22,260 create an ITF thought-form it's been put 1250 00:55:26,270 --> 00:55:22,800 on hold 1251 00:55:28,130 --> 00:55:26,280 it's a great idea I really just send it 1252 00:55:31,190 --> 00:55:28,140 to Sam's house you know what it would be 1253 00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:31,200 is a massive Cricut with a human head 1254 00:55:35,210 --> 00:55:33,330 yep yes but it would be it's his 1255 00:55:37,130 --> 00:55:35,220 absolutely he loves that guys if you can 1256 00:55:37,550 --> 00:55:37,140 send him tons of pictures of that he'd 1257 00:55:38,930 --> 00:55:37,560 love it 1258 00:55:45,020 --> 00:55:38,940 I'm just kidding don't do that he would 1259 00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:45,030 hate that mr. Sam Sheeran if you want to 1260 00:55:50,780 --> 00:55:48,090 do a rendering of a massive grasshopper 1261 00:55:54,740 --> 00:55:50,790 with a human face and Senate doesn't 1262 00:55:56,240 --> 00:55:54,750 know it's only the hard core idea folks 1263 00:55:59,630 --> 00:55:56,250 will know all about that stuff right 1264 00:56:02,240 --> 00:55:59,640 flat flat man and what the hell are they 1265 00:56:06,290 --> 00:56:02,250 talking about like is this the wind part 1266 00:56:08,720 --> 00:56:06,300 of the Windigo story or not all right so 1267 00:56:12,530 --> 00:56:08,730 all right so let me get back eight feet 1268 00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:12,540 tall some other the details is that its 1269 00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:16,410 skin is either black or dark grey and 1270 00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:19,890 that it's covered in here she says her 1271 00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:22,770 headlights made it shine as if it were 1272 00:56:26,750 --> 00:56:24,810 wet and had crawled out of maybe the 1273 00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:26,760 creek that it was standing over so so 1274 00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:29,850 nice to think of it also being in the 1275 00:56:35,150 --> 00:56:31,200 water for some reason that just creeped 1276 00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:35,160 me out pretty bad the face itself though 1277 00:56:43,130 --> 00:56:40,050 is bone white and the hair is hanging 1278 00:56:45,130 --> 00:56:43,140 over the eyes and she said to me like 1279 00:56:49,630 --> 00:56:45,140 she's probably thankful for that 1280 00:56:52,839 --> 00:56:49,640 um because now keep in mind it's it's 1281 00:56:54,940 --> 00:56:52,849 not looking at her yet until she gets to 1282 00:56:58,779 --> 00:56:54,950 where she's about to go by it and it 1283 00:57:02,319 --> 00:56:58,789 turns and stares at her she's panicked 1284 00:57:03,940 --> 00:57:02,329 she guns it tries to calm down but it 1285 00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:03,950 omits she kept checking her mirrors I'm 1286 00:57:06,910 --> 00:57:05,690 sure she couldn't see a damn thing back 1287 00:57:10,900 --> 00:57:06,920 there but I probably would have done the 1288 00:57:13,630 --> 00:57:10,910 same thing and halfway through the drive 1289 00:57:13,930 --> 00:57:13,640 she's like okay I'm gonna stop grab some 1290 00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:13,940 water 1291 00:57:18,670 --> 00:57:15,890 take a little break get back on the road 1292 00:57:20,500 --> 00:57:18,680 try to calm down because and you hear a 1293 00:57:22,450 --> 00:57:20,510 lot of people say this if you you know 1294 00:57:25,750 --> 00:57:22,460 if you just kind of see something a blip 1295 00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:25,760 of something and you're alone and I just 1296 00:57:29,799 --> 00:57:26,960 talked to a guy who last night about 1297 00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:29,809 this Bigfoot it's gonna air tonight like 1298 00:57:34,509 --> 00:57:32,930 he's going if I was alone I could have 1299 00:57:36,700 --> 00:57:34,519 maybe said I was losing it or I had 1300 00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:36,710 hallucinated her I miss identified right 1301 00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:40,569 but so that's what she's thinking 1302 00:57:46,829 --> 00:57:43,250 another 10 minutes down the road she's 1303 00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:46,839 found a little better until she's 1304 00:57:53,470 --> 00:57:50,690 cresting up a steep hill and she sees 1305 00:57:56,109 --> 00:57:53,480 the creature once again except this time 1306 00:57:58,150 --> 00:57:56,119 it's crouched as if it could you know do 1307 00:57:59,890 --> 00:57:58,160 a pouncing motion of some sort 1308 00:58:06,700 --> 00:57:59,900 it's crouched in the middle of the road 1309 00:58:09,519 --> 00:58:06,710 and she swerves around it and what else 1310 00:58:10,990 --> 00:58:09,529 does she gonna do she drives to work she 1311 00:58:14,620 --> 00:58:11,000 gets you miss he's like I got there 1312 00:58:17,799 --> 00:58:14,630 early cuz I was gonna in it and I'm 1313 00:58:20,740 --> 00:58:17,809 seeing this all with a smile but uh 1314 00:58:22,150 --> 00:58:20,750 admittedly she she teared up and was 1315 00:58:24,210 --> 00:58:22,160 very emotional while she was telling me 1316 00:58:27,190 --> 00:58:24,220 this so this was an extremely 1317 00:58:29,890 --> 00:58:27,200 traumatizing thing for this young woman 1318 00:58:31,390 --> 00:58:29,900 so her co-workers can tell something's 1319 00:58:33,849 --> 00:58:31,400 wrong but she's not about to say 1320 00:58:37,839 --> 00:58:33,859 anything about that I mean who would 1321 00:58:40,509 --> 00:58:37,849 blame her shortly after this sighting of 1322 00:58:42,430 --> 00:58:40,519 either the same creature that was the 1323 00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:42,440 big question is it the same one or are 1324 00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:43,970 there two of them you know I mean like 1325 00:58:50,380 --> 00:58:45,650 that was my question I'm like that 1326 00:58:53,410 --> 00:58:50,390 either way it's messed up but she has an 1327 00:58:57,039 --> 00:58:53,420 emergency and she nearly missed carries 1328 00:58:58,469 --> 00:58:57,049 the baby that she was carrying and of 1329 00:59:01,449 --> 00:58:58,479 course the question is 1330 00:59:05,019 --> 00:59:01,459 what caused it she said yak could have 1331 00:59:07,420 --> 00:59:05,029 been stress or did this creature either 1332 00:59:10,689 --> 00:59:07,430 a warned her of a problem or caused it 1333 00:59:12,699 --> 00:59:10,699 itself so that's when the whole Windigo 1334 00:59:17,079 --> 00:59:12,709 thing came up and being a harbinger and 1335 00:59:19,420 --> 00:59:17,089 all of this other stuff so that's you 1336 00:59:22,689 --> 00:59:19,430 know but that is not the end of her 1337 00:59:25,329 --> 00:59:22,699 story they then had as I mentioned some 1338 00:59:28,569 --> 00:59:25,339 stuff go on in the home with the kids 1339 00:59:31,329 --> 00:59:28,579 I mean it's it's one of those things 1340 00:59:32,799 --> 00:59:31,339 where it seems like like we were joking 1341 00:59:34,630 --> 00:59:32,809 about the Hellraiser box in the 1342 00:59:36,429 --> 00:59:34,640 beginning right like why not twenty 1343 00:59:38,529 --> 00:59:36,439 twenty ones come in let's do help it's 1344 00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:38,539 let's release you know everything 1345 00:59:45,219 --> 00:59:41,930 unleash it on the earth it does seem 1346 00:59:48,279 --> 00:59:45,229 like when you see something real goddamn 1347 00:59:51,429 --> 00:59:48,289 weird it it really does for some people 1348 00:59:54,309 --> 00:59:51,439 open Pandora's box and it becomes just 1349 00:59:56,829 --> 00:59:54,319 this avalanche effect of other phenomena 1350 00:59:59,039 --> 00:59:56,839 happening now you know it's not like she 1351 01:00:02,229 --> 00:59:59,049 saw that creature in her home thank God 1352 01:00:04,419 --> 01:00:02,239 I'd be burning that place down and and I 1353 01:00:07,779 --> 01:00:04,429 don't know what else to protect myself 1354 01:00:10,870 --> 01:00:07,789 yeah but um other things were happening 1355 01:00:14,499 --> 01:00:10,880 and you know her her cute little son who 1356 01:00:16,390 --> 01:00:14,509 actually I'm if if she listens to this 1357 01:00:17,709 --> 01:00:16,400 I'm gonna FaceTime with him pretty soon 1358 01:00:19,599 --> 01:00:17,719 cuz he's just such a little sweetheart 1359 01:00:21,939 --> 01:00:19,609 and he's way into Bigfoot and I'm really 1360 01:00:25,660 --> 01:00:21,949 proud of him he still doesn't sleep in 1361 01:00:29,319 --> 01:00:25,670 his own room so excuse me so you know 1362 01:00:31,569 --> 01:00:29,329 it's kind of an another episode where 1363 01:00:34,749 --> 01:00:31,579 it's like an ongoing case and I'm trying 1364 01:00:37,059 --> 01:00:34,759 to help people as I can but you'll never 1365 01:00:39,029 --> 01:00:37,069 hear me say I'm a paranormal expert or a 1366 01:00:43,870 --> 01:00:39,039 Bigfoot expert or an expert at anything 1367 01:00:45,069 --> 01:00:43,880 you know I I know people that are better 1368 01:00:49,059 --> 01:00:45,079 at this stuff than me 1369 01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:49,069 as far as categorizing things or maybe 1370 01:00:53,140 --> 01:00:51,650 trying to help some of these folks that 1371 01:00:54,759 --> 01:00:53,150 have this stuff going on especially in 1372 01:00:56,650 --> 01:00:54,769 your own home it's one thing to go to a 1373 01:00:58,509 --> 01:00:56,660 haunted location or to go to a creepy 1374 01:01:00,459 --> 01:00:58,519 place and be able to leave it but once 1375 01:01:03,370 --> 01:01:00,469 it's in your own home it's a whole 1376 01:01:04,839 --> 01:01:03,380 nother ball of wax right there so yeah 1377 01:01:09,370 --> 01:01:04,849 and if anybody wants to listen to that 1378 01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:09,380 one that is episode 2 - - so but yeah 1379 01:01:15,330 --> 01:01:11,410 that one 1380 01:01:19,620 --> 01:01:15,340 that also I'd say is in my top 10 of 1381 01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:19,630 like holy sheit you know episodes and 1382 01:01:27,060 --> 01:01:22,210 sightings that that would really mess 1383 01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:27,070 you up I think and I'm sure that the 1384 01:01:32,550 --> 01:01:29,770 commute was kiboshed after that I'd say 1385 01:01:35,430 --> 01:01:32,560 or at least not during nighttime hours 1386 01:01:37,170 --> 01:01:35,440 that would help a little bit yeah you 1387 01:01:39,660 --> 01:01:37,180 bring up a good point though Shen like 1388 01:01:41,940 --> 01:01:39,670 the impact these things can have on 1389 01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:41,950 people everyone you've spoken of tonight 1390 01:01:48,150 --> 01:01:46,690 like had clear implication to what they 1391 01:01:50,970 --> 01:01:48,160 experience like it affects your life 1392 01:01:53,130 --> 01:01:50,980 thereafter and like you said like it's 1393 01:01:57,540 --> 01:01:53,140 the same with me in the UFO fields like 1394 01:01:59,940 --> 01:01:57,550 whenever whatever news or interviews 1395 01:02:01,920 --> 01:01:59,950 they will say oh we are so you want to 1396 01:02:04,050 --> 01:02:01,930 be called a UFO expert I'm like what no 1397 01:02:07,380 --> 01:02:04,060 I'm not an expert on this I don't know 1398 01:02:09,810 --> 01:02:07,390 what the hell UFOs are I research it I 1399 01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:09,820 interview people who've seen them but 1400 01:02:16,650 --> 01:02:13,890 nobody's an expert how can you be yes 1401 01:02:19,230 --> 01:02:16,660 it's impossible like two people with the 1402 01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:19,240 Bigfoot how in the hell can you be a 1403 01:02:23,790 --> 01:02:21,330 Bigfoot expert that's impossible 1404 01:02:26,420 --> 01:02:23,800 exactly and you you brought up another 1405 01:02:30,330 --> 01:02:26,430 good point like there are far more 1406 01:02:32,370 --> 01:02:30,340 experienced and educated and scientific 1407 01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:32,380 people out there who do actually 1408 01:02:38,790 --> 01:02:35,650 investigate and I have a big chapter in 1409 01:02:40,830 --> 01:02:38,800 a book that may or may not be coming out 1410 01:02:43,770 --> 01:02:40,840 soon by beyond the furnishing I won't 1411 01:02:45,690 --> 01:02:43,780 say anything else um I tackled that very 1412 01:02:49,430 --> 01:02:45,700 issue like who are the people out there 1413 01:02:52,910 --> 01:02:49,440 actually making progress on these topics 1414 01:02:56,970 --> 01:02:52,920 but for people like you and me we we are 1415 01:02:59,520 --> 01:02:56,980 listeners like we the reason you and I 1416 01:03:02,430 --> 01:02:59,530 connected and works together is because 1417 01:03:04,860 --> 01:03:02,440 we love stories and we find value in 1418 01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:04,870 those stories and lessons to be learned 1419 01:03:11,070 --> 01:03:07,810 and sometimes for people it's just 1420 01:03:13,380 --> 01:03:11,080 getting it out to someone like is enough 1421 01:03:15,690 --> 01:03:13,390 yeah she may never know what the Windigo 1422 01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:15,700 was you know this guy may never know 1423 01:03:19,530 --> 01:03:17,050 what actually happened during that 1424 01:03:21,630 --> 01:03:19,540 missing timey experience but at the end 1425 01:03:23,250 --> 01:03:21,640 of the day like we can now share that 1426 01:03:24,010 --> 01:03:23,260 story with other people who might be 1427 01:03:26,740 --> 01:03:24,020 able to find 1428 01:03:29,380 --> 01:03:26,750 answers for you or even just relate in 1429 01:03:32,530 --> 01:03:29,390 some small way so I think that's what 1430 01:03:35,220 --> 01:03:32,540 you've done with the podcast and these 1431 01:03:37,660 --> 01:03:35,230 books is get it out to people and 1432 01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:37,670 normalize these conversations more 1433 01:03:42,010 --> 01:03:40,010 thanks Ron I appreciate that and you 1434 01:03:44,500 --> 01:03:42,020 know I think one of the biggest things 1435 01:03:47,770 --> 01:03:44,510 that we do is we just we try to be good 1436 01:03:50,260 --> 01:03:47,780 listeners you know people will I'm sure 1437 01:03:53,860 --> 01:03:50,270 you get it to like you'll get emails or 1438 01:03:56,470 --> 01:03:53,870 messages or or you were talking to 1439 01:03:58,180 --> 01:03:56,480 somebody and you can hear the the angst 1440 01:03:59,910 --> 01:03:58,190 in their voice and they want answers and 1441 01:04:02,800 --> 01:03:59,920 they want you to answer it forum and 1442 01:04:04,540 --> 01:04:02,810 they don't want to hear that we you know 1443 01:04:07,510 --> 01:04:04,550 we don't know for sure we just we don't 1444 01:04:09,130 --> 01:04:07,520 nobody nobody can hardest part 1445 01:04:12,130 --> 01:04:09,140 you're so right the hardest part is when 1446 01:04:14,140 --> 01:04:12,140 someone comes to you and says what is 1447 01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:14,150 this what am i experiencing how can I 1448 01:04:18,100 --> 01:04:14,930 stop it 1449 01:04:22,450 --> 01:04:18,110 or like what do I do and yeah you just 1450 01:04:24,970 --> 01:04:22,460 yeah if you're a epical person you have 1451 01:04:28,090 --> 01:04:24,980 to say I don't know what you can do but 1452 01:04:30,850 --> 01:04:28,100 here's maybe some suggestions go talk to 1453 01:04:32,980 --> 01:04:30,860 a therapist an actual therapist and then 1454 01:04:35,710 --> 01:04:32,990 take it from there but yeah I do that is 1455 01:04:39,700 --> 01:04:35,720 the biggest struggle with what we do is 1456 01:04:41,650 --> 01:04:39,710 people want answers and we may never 1457 01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:41,660 find those answers but at least we can 1458 01:04:45,070 --> 01:04:43,970 all kind of deal with that struggle 1459 01:04:47,410 --> 01:04:45,080 together you know whether it's 1460 01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:47,420 paranormal supernatural UFOs what have 1461 01:04:53,650 --> 01:04:50,330 you like these things affect us and they 1462 01:04:57,100 --> 01:04:53,660 are part of our human experience whether 1463 01:04:59,770 --> 01:04:57,110 they're human or not themselves yes 1464 01:05:03,400 --> 01:04:59,780 exactly no and you know and just to add 1465 01:05:04,870 --> 01:05:03,410 on to us kind of on our soapbox about no 1466 01:05:07,180 --> 01:05:04,880 experts which is true by the way I'm not 1467 01:05:08,730 --> 01:05:07,190 going to take that back but I will say 1468 01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:08,740 that I do have people that I defer to 1469 01:05:13,510 --> 01:05:11,330 that I I know they have more experience 1470 01:05:14,860 --> 01:05:13,520 than me they've talked more people to me 1471 01:05:15,580 --> 01:05:14,870 they've actually been in more locations 1472 01:05:17,410 --> 01:05:15,590 than me 1473 01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:17,420 you know maybe specifically talking 1474 01:05:23,410 --> 01:05:20,090 about just in general paranormal ghosts 1475 01:05:26,170 --> 01:05:23,420 of spirits shadow people maybe even up 1476 01:05:27,820 --> 01:05:26,180 up to you know demonic presences which I 1477 01:05:29,230 --> 01:05:27,830 think that word gets tossed around far 1478 01:05:31,930 --> 01:05:29,240 too much but that's another subject for 1479 01:05:34,690 --> 01:05:31,940 another another day but you know people 1480 01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:34,700 like I'll defer people to Pete Havilland 1481 01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:36,650 I mean he's amazing he's been in this 1482 01:05:39,010 --> 01:05:37,730 like almost 30 1483 01:05:42,010 --> 01:05:39,020 like he's you know gone to all these 1484 01:05:44,830 --> 01:05:42,020 locations and he he just and he doesn't 1485 01:05:46,359 --> 01:05:44,840 say he's an expert but he might well I 1486 01:05:48,430 --> 01:05:46,369 know he does he doesn't mind that's why 1487 01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:48,440 I defer people to him I refer I should 1488 01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:51,850 say I defer by referring there we go 1489 01:05:58,120 --> 01:05:55,130 it's brought about ways say yeah I Spit 1490 01:06:02,680 --> 01:05:58,130 that one out I think I got that but he 1491 01:06:05,310 --> 01:06:02,690 will have more ideas and and ways for 1492 01:06:08,740 --> 01:06:05,320 them to try to help themselves obviously 1493 01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:08,750 nobody's jet-set especially nowadays so 1494 01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:11,450 you know he's better at saying okay well 1495 01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:13,010 let me look at the evidence and here are 1496 01:06:17,650 --> 01:06:15,650 some things you to try in your own home 1497 01:06:19,630 --> 01:06:17,660 like tonight or some things that you can 1498 01:06:21,010 --> 01:06:19,640 get to try to help yourself out and you 1499 01:06:22,900 --> 01:06:21,020 know there's all kinds of you know 1500 01:06:25,990 --> 01:06:22,910 opinions on that kind of thing I get 1501 01:06:28,030 --> 01:06:26,000 that and it's it's widely speculative as 1502 01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:28,040 far as what any of this stuff is we 1503 01:06:31,540 --> 01:06:30,410 don't know but but yeah there are 1504 01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:31,550 definitely some people out there that 1505 01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:33,770 they know their [\h__\h] and I 1506 01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:36,170 I trust them enough to send people that 1507 01:06:40,750 --> 01:06:39,050 go oh my god I need help please help me 1508 01:06:44,620 --> 01:06:40,760 please tell me you know I'm not gonna 1509 01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:44,630 act like I have you know any more tools 1510 01:06:48,940 --> 01:06:46,490 in my bag than people that I know I've 1511 01:06:51,220 --> 01:06:48,950 got bigger better tools in their back so 1512 01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:51,230 I have no problem going hey I'm not the 1513 01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:52,850 I'm not the person for you but I know 1514 01:06:57,099 --> 01:06:54,290 someone that might be able to help you 1515 01:06:59,710 --> 01:06:57,109 exactly I couldn't agree more 1516 01:07:01,240 --> 01:06:59,720 about that aspect of all of this is you 1517 01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:01,250 know if someone does have the answer 1518 01:07:07,270 --> 01:07:03,890 their claims to have the answer run run 1519 01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:07,280 as fast again so fast 1520 01:07:12,670 --> 01:07:09,290 either that or ask them oh yeah how much 1521 01:07:14,290 --> 01:07:12,680 is it gonna cost me yeah if you haven't 1522 01:07:15,910 --> 01:07:14,300 told you already because usually that's 1523 01:07:17,590 --> 01:07:15,920 one of the first things that comes out 1524 01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:17,600 right yeah that's a good filtering 1525 01:07:23,590 --> 01:07:21,890 mechanism right then yeah Shan um you're 1526 01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:23,600 gonna stick around to share a couple 1527 01:07:27,910 --> 01:07:25,970 more stories with us over on patreon 1528 01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:27,920 some of your favorites so I highly 1529 01:07:32,770 --> 01:07:30,650 suggest people who are patreon 1530 01:07:34,510 --> 01:07:32,780 subscribers go check that out right now 1531 01:07:37,780 --> 01:07:34,520 it should be available right after this 1532 01:07:39,580 --> 01:07:37,790 interview airs and if you're not you can 1533 01:07:42,180 --> 01:07:39,590 check it out at patreon.com slash 1534 01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:42,190 somewhere skies but before we go Shan 1535 01:07:46,630 --> 01:07:44,690 what's comes what's coming next from 1536 01:07:49,750 --> 01:07:46,640 beyond the fray both in terms of your 1537 01:07:51,579 --> 01:07:49,760 own books and the publishing company in 1538 01:07:54,009 --> 01:07:51,589 general anything you can share with 1539 01:07:58,299 --> 01:07:54,019 um I just like a little tickle my throat 1540 01:08:00,160 --> 01:07:58,309 up plaid man there we go no we actually 1541 01:08:03,309 --> 01:08:00,170 do have some very exciting things coming 1542 01:08:06,910 --> 01:08:03,319 up which as you kind of mention we won't 1543 01:08:09,219 --> 01:08:06,920 say anything further but a few authors 1544 01:08:12,519 --> 01:08:09,229 that you guys may know very well at this 1545 01:08:14,199 --> 01:08:12,529 point but but we've got a lot of authors 1546 01:08:16,510 --> 01:08:14,209 under our wing now that have new 1547 01:08:19,299 --> 01:08:16,520 projects coming up and people that I 1548 01:08:21,459 --> 01:08:19,309 mean we haven't even really announced as 1549 01:08:26,349 --> 01:08:21,469 far as coming on with beyond the fray 1550 01:08:29,349 --> 01:08:26,359 publishing and you know if oh and I want 1551 01:08:34,030 --> 01:08:29,359 to mention this we are working on 1552 01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:34,040 Bigfoot part do okay so if anybody wants 1553 01:08:38,799 --> 01:08:36,650 to come on either on or off the year 1554 01:08:40,959 --> 01:08:38,809 share your story or even email it in to 1555 01:08:42,519 --> 01:08:40,969 me Shannon into the fray radio.com I'm 1556 01:08:43,839 --> 01:08:42,529 looking for those Bigfoot tales I mean 1557 01:08:46,030 --> 01:08:43,849 you guys know how much I love the big 1558 01:08:49,059 --> 01:08:46,040 hairy guy so it was a natural 1559 01:08:51,669 --> 01:08:49,069 progression for Jeff and I to work on a 1560 01:08:53,370 --> 01:08:51,679 second edition for beyond the free 1561 01:08:58,419 --> 01:08:53,380 Bigfoot so that's coming up next for us 1562 01:09:00,700 --> 01:08:58,429 in specifically and of course into the 1563 01:09:03,189 --> 01:09:00,710 fray radio.com is where you can find the 1564 01:09:04,599 --> 01:09:03,199 show and of course any pod catcher and I 1565 01:09:07,329 --> 01:09:04,609 put it on YouTube all that good stuff 1566 01:09:08,499 --> 01:09:07,339 and you know if you want to chat 1567 01:09:11,859 --> 01:09:08,509 reach out I'm on Facebook Twitter 1568 01:09:14,140 --> 01:09:11,869 Instagram the usual suspects and I 1569 01:09:15,339 --> 01:09:14,150 Shannon end of the fray radio comm I 1570 01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:15,349 think I've already given that out there 1571 01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:17,690 you go that's that's twice you guys 1572 01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:20,690 won't lose that one and just as a teaser 1573 01:09:24,999 --> 01:09:23,449 for you guys in the patreon the story 1574 01:09:28,839 --> 01:09:25,009 that I'm about to share with Ryan for 1575 01:09:32,799 --> 01:09:28,849 the patreon is probably one of my top 1576 01:09:35,950 --> 01:09:32,809 like favorite of all time episodes what 1577 01:09:38,649 --> 01:09:35,960 I always say I don't have but I yeah 1578 01:09:40,809 --> 01:09:38,659 this one I love a lot and in fact this 1579 01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:40,819 is one that I got more correspondence 1580 01:09:44,559 --> 01:09:42,650 and still to this day I have gotten more 1581 01:09:49,180 --> 01:09:44,569 correspondence about this episode than I 1582 01:09:52,149 --> 01:09:49,190 ever have and I okay so really quick 1583 01:09:55,629 --> 01:09:52,159 sorry before we go when people bring up 1584 01:09:58,450 --> 01:09:55,639 EVPs I usually roll my eyes because 1585 01:09:59,830 --> 01:09:58,460 they're highly suggestive things just 1586 01:10:01,930 --> 01:09:59,840 like when I'm talking about Bigfoot and 1587 01:10:03,939 --> 01:10:01,940 tree structures I'll usually roll my 1588 01:10:05,350 --> 01:10:03,949 eyes if somebody wants to like talk 1589 01:10:07,180 --> 01:10:05,360 about it or say 1590 01:10:09,730 --> 01:10:07,190 I just roll my eyes I don't get excited 1591 01:10:12,430 --> 01:10:09,740 about EVPs for for that side of things 1592 01:10:16,390 --> 01:10:12,440 or tree structures for Bigfoot 1593 01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:16,400 I just tree structures are actually just 1594 01:10:21,180 --> 01:10:19,010 to suggest if EVPs because a lot of 1595 01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:21,190 weird [\h__\h] happens in the woods when 1596 01:10:27,370 --> 01:10:24,890 when cold snaps run through and winds 1597 01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:27,380 come through nature does its own weird 1598 01:10:33,190 --> 01:10:30,170 stuff so anyway the long and short of it 1599 01:10:36,070 --> 01:10:33,200 is this episode I got so much 1600 01:10:39,990 --> 01:10:36,080 correspondence because it like exploded 1601 01:10:44,770 --> 01:10:40,000 on social media and in my email going 1602 01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:44,780 there is a word spoken twice underneath 1603 01:10:48,910 --> 01:10:47,330 your voice and you have to go to this 1604 01:10:51,850 --> 01:10:48,920 time marker you've got to go listen to 1605 01:10:53,590 --> 01:10:51,860 this and I went to listen to it and I 1606 01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:53,600 immediately heard what it said like 1607 01:10:57,160 --> 01:10:54,650 usually you know you watch Ghost 1608 01:10:58,810 --> 01:10:57,170 Adventures and they've got the you know 1609 01:11:00,850 --> 01:10:58,820 the subtitle up there with what they 1610 01:11:02,620 --> 01:11:00,860 think it is and you're like oh yeah I 1611 01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:02,630 totally hear that but if somebody put up 1612 01:11:07,990 --> 01:11:05,410 a a totally different subtitle you go oh 1613 01:11:11,230 --> 01:11:08,000 yeah it's very yeah it's very very 1614 01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:11,240 suggestive but in this case I couldn't 1615 01:11:16,540 --> 01:11:14,210 deny what was being said and it tied in 1616 01:11:19,030 --> 01:11:16,550 so incredibly well not only for the 1617 01:11:21,580 --> 01:11:19,040 subject matter for the episode but for 1618 01:11:24,010 --> 01:11:21,590 the very part of that episode that we 1619 01:11:27,190 --> 01:11:24,020 were talking about this and it blew my 1620 01:11:29,650 --> 01:11:27,200 effing mind and I am I'm extremely 1621 01:11:31,300 --> 01:11:29,660 skeptical with stuff like that and it 1622 01:11:33,850 --> 01:11:31,310 really doesn't float my boat as I said 1623 01:11:36,370 --> 01:11:33,860 but in this particular case I was blown 1624 01:11:38,710 --> 01:11:36,380 away so that is the that is a story that 1625 01:11:40,030 --> 01:11:38,720 I'm going to share with the with your 1626 01:11:41,770 --> 01:11:40,040 patreon and I'm very excited about that 1627 01:11:44,950 --> 01:11:41,780 because I haven't talked about a good 1628 01:11:47,650 --> 01:11:44,960 old good old you-know-who in a while so 1629 01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:47,660 yeah I'm really excited well that that 1630 01:11:53,110 --> 01:11:51,170 is the best teaser to join the patreon 1631 01:11:55,630 --> 01:11:53,120 I've ever heard I can't even sell it 1632 01:11:58,720 --> 01:11:55,640 better myself so we're gonna head on 1633 01:12:00,910 --> 01:11:58,730 over there and Shanna I gotta say before 1634 01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:00,920 we go the book again is beyond the fray 1635 01:12:06,220 --> 01:12:03,530 param alga mation it's available at 1636 01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:06,230 beyond the freight publishing com Amazon 1637 01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:07,970 everywhere you get your books check it 1638 01:12:11,140 --> 01:12:09,890 out and Shannon thank you once again for 1639 01:12:13,810 --> 01:12:11,150 joining me on 1640 01:12:14,110 --> 01:12:13,820 the Scots thank you good sir until next 1641 01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:14,120 time 1642 01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:34,370 [Music] 1643 01:12:56,919 --> 01:12:36,290 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